I am back, sorry for the wait. Le 12/04/2017 18:49, Daniel Stone a écrit : > Hi Albert, > > On 12 April 2017 at 09:05, Albert Astals Cid <aa...@kde.org> wrote: >> El dimarts, 11 d’abril de 2017, a les 12:26:09 CEST, Daniel Stone va >> escriure: >>> Constructive feedback on the specific form and wording of the CoC is >>> more than welcome. What would be even better is if you're able to >>> point to the experiences of other communities, the discussions they've >>> had, and where they landed. The exact wording isn't irreversibly set >>> in stone, and I'm sure we'll want to be tweaking it over time. What is >>> set in stone is that we (the fd.o admins, who unanimously approved >>> this change) are committed to this CoC, and will not be turning back >>> from it. >> >> Can you clarify why do you think the sysadmins have the right to impose such >> a >> big change on the rest of the community without prior consultation? > > freedesktop provides services to communities, including mailing lists, > bug trackers, Git hosting, web hosting, etc etc. We as the admins > already have to intervene to remove legally-impermissible content > (e.g. when someone uploaded third-party proprietary code they weren't > allowed to distribute, or when links to child pornography make it into > mailing list archives) from these services, because the responsibility > falls on fd.o as the provider rather than the more diffuse individual > communities. Besides the non free software part links about cp are already managed in the law, it's illegal end of story, most of what a the CC introduce is already in the law and part of it isn't in the law for good reasons.
But if someone misbehave their is nothing in reality that will not make that person misbehave. It's not either your fault or anyone's fault, it's just maybe the result of discussion that went haywire between two people or because the said person had a terrible day, etcetera. A coc isn't either protecting you from any direct or indirect backslash and it was already seen with the drupal community when they went against their own coc to remove one of their developers. > > Our original plan was to offer the CoC (pre-made template text and a > point of contact) as an opt-in, where projects could contact us and > add it themselves. But, as with the above, behaviour of the individual > communities reflects on fd.o as a whole. We aren't a diffuse/random > hosting site like GitHub, but instead work with individually-selected > projects. With this comes responsibility on both sides: we cannot just > wash our hands of the behaviour of the member communities. Indeed, but you won't/can't force people to change. > > We did discuss this with a number of people, but with over 100 quite > diffuse projects (some active, some stagnant, some abandoned, some > unclear), and running fd.o not being a paid activity (or even the > primary project we work on) for any of us, we weren't able to reach > everyone. My apologies if you/Poppler feel excluded, or imposed upon, > but you have my full attention now. :) > > What I'm trying to do over the course of this week is get in touch > with all of the member projects and walk through this with them. Both > seeking their feedback, and establishing points of contact, so the CoC > and enforcement are actually driven by the communities themselves, > rather than being imposed from on high. I know that might seem at odds > with how this has been announced, so again please take my apologies > for that, but we are trying to do the right thing. > > The text itself of the CoC is not set in stone, and if you have any > particular issues with the text that is there, it'd be great to get > any feedback so we can work on it. Just as our communities are living > and evolving creatures, so too is the CoC. If it's not set in stone, please then don't use it. If you insist on one then may I suggest: https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC or https://git.postactiv.com/postActiv/postActiv/blob/master/CodeOfConflict.md or https://www.titanians.org/the-bill-of-ethics/ I wish you all a good day. Freely BERNARD > > Cheers, > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > xdg mailing list > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg >
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