Vikram,
I caught the joke, that's why I prefaced my comment with "I can't resist".
Apparently you didn't think my response was very funny, sorry.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaura, Vikram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:05 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Kaura, Vikram; 'Bill Oskowski'; Brad Hodges;
> martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
>
>
> Dick... the investment community never being wrong was a joke.
> Have a relaxing weekend !
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 4:56 PM
> To: Kaura, Vikram; 'Bill Oskowski'; Brad Hodges; martin; kurt Svensson;
> Paul Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
>
>
> Vikram stated,
>
> > In the investment community (simply put, right or wrong)
> >
> > EDI/EAI : Bad, old news, approaching history.
> > XML : new, good news, panacea.
> >
> > Of course, the investment community is never wrong.
>
> I can't resist.
>
> Exactly how much money did VC's lose on all those "never wrong
> investments"
> in failed .com's?
>
> I have to admit, I never would have invested in a company that sells "pet
> rocks" but somebody did and made a lot of money doing it. The
> logic of some
> investors escapes me, but like the pet rock, some wild and crazy business
> plans are being funded.
>
>
> Dick Brooks
> Group 8760
> 110 12th Street North
> Birmingham, AL 35203
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 205-250-8053
> Fax: 205-250-8057
> http://www.8760.com/
>
> InsideAgent - Empowering e-commerce solutions
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kaura, Vikram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 4:35 PM
> > To: 'Bill Oskowski'; Brad Hodges; martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams;
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
> >
> >
> > Hello Everyone!
> >
> > I have been reading the messages in this group with great interest.
> > Let me share with you the feeling in the investment community.
> >
> > In the investment community (simply put, right or wrong)
> >
> > EDI/EAI : Bad, old news, approaching history.
> > XML : new, good news, panacea.
> >
> > Of course, the investment community is never wrong.
> > Thanks to the arguments from both sides, I am much well informed
> > than I was 2 weeks ago.
> >
> > Can someone ref me to a balanced book/article/archive on the
> subject which
> > I could read over the weekend.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Vikram Kaura
> > Equity Research
> > Dain Rauscher Wessels
> > 612-313-1235
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Oskowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:55 PM
> > To: Bill Oskowski; Brad Hodges; martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams;
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
> >
> >
> > XML will move forward when it makes business sense. That means
> > when it will
> > allow a company to make more money or save more money. My company is a
> > reseller of XML/EDI software and web based software, I believe in XML. I
> > just don't believe companies are going to throw away billions of
> > dollars of
> > existing infrastructure. A way needs to be found to merge the
> two, not say
> > one will kill the other. EDI works, and is widely implemented. It
> > is not as
> > difficult to implement as many on the XML side would have us beleive.
> > Companies have many needs and budget constraints. Y2k happened, HIPAA is
> > coming, and many companies are implementing SAP or other ERP
> > solutions. All
> > of which are major projects both from a budget stand point and
> a resource
> > stand point. Why must there be only one way. The more likely
> course is to
> > use EDI and experiment with XML. I like new technology, we are
> focusing on
> > XML and the web in our training and for our future. But we will
> > continue to
> > pursue EDI opportunities. Many large and small companies have major
> > investments in EDI. That translates to opportunities. I am
> willing to see
> > both sides of the XML - EDI question, and am willing to concede
> > XML will be
> > implemented on a world wide basis. All I'm asking is that the
> XML side of
> > the discussion give EDI the same courtesy. EDI is a standardized way to
> > electronically process transactions and is implemented worldwide,
> > EDI is an
> > entry way into many major companies, that path should be taken
> > advantage of
> > not ignored.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Oskowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:06 PM
> > To: Brad Hodges; martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams;
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
> >
> > This is a ridiculous analogy. EDI is adapting just like XML.
> Why must one
> > die for the other to live?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Hodges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:53 PM
> > To: martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
> >
> >
> > If you make the analogy between the industrial revolution and the
> > electronic business/commerce revolution, EDI and VANs equals basic
> > electricity flowing through wires. The internet is the 60Hz
> 120 volt AC
> > power grid standard, and XML is the definition of the electrical plug
> > standard. At some point during the prior revolution, it
> became totally
> > impractical for anybody to draw power from anywhere other than
> > the standard
> > power grid. BUT!!!!, there were many electrical applications that
> > required power other than 60Hz 120 volt AC, so they drew the raw power
> > from the grid and converted and transformed the power into the
> format they
> > needed.
> >
> > I think the same thing will happen in the electronic commerce/business
> > space. XML will be the standard plug. The EDI world will simply at
> > some point learn to adapt to the commodity power grid, (the
> > Internet), but
> > they may do so by simple conversion or adaption. There is
> > still a long
> > maturation process that has yet to occur in the XML space, but it will
> > definitely happen. Once XML has matured, it will become very
> difficult
> > to justify any new 'E' initiatives using anything other than XML. But
> > that still does not mean that EDI has to at that point cease to
> work! If
> > a huge corporation has a huge investment in an EDI
> infrastructure, they'd
> > likely only bother to tinker with it enough so that it can utilize the
> > standard information grid. Inside the corporation, they still
> see EDI or
> > X.12 or whatever, but at some point they will on the fly
> transform to XML
> > for no other reason that it was cost justified.
> >
> > At 02:41 AM 8/24/00 -0700, martin wrote:
> >
> >
> > >My prediction, and I back it up with my investment in
> companies that work
> > >with XML technology. The big boys of EDI will try hard to hold
> > on to their
> > >market. But I give them 5 years at the very most for them to have a
> > >significant share of the EDI business. There is a great
> forward momentum
> > >of XML development by many companies that I can see an end to
> traditional
> > >EDI. We are in a new economy. It's wasteful to use traditional
> > >EDI. It's more cost effective to use some form of EDI-XML.
> In the mean
> > >time some big companies will be forced to use some form of middle ware
> > >between traditional EDI and EDI-XML. But sooner than later XML will
> > >dominate the EDI market.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >It is simply wasteful to use traditional EDI flavors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Martin Z. Ford, CEO
> > >
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> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: kurt Svensson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:22 AM
> > >To: Paul Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Cc: xmledi-group; rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >PaulPaul Williams wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >We use tools for translation and transmission which are well
> > established,
> > > >something which the XML world is lacking.
> > >
> > >
> > >There are a lot of XML systems available today. Some of them are
> > easier to
> > use
> > >
> > >than EDI systems
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kurt Svensson
> > >
> > ><http://www.inobiz.se>www.inobiz.se
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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