Hello Everyone!
I have been reading the messages in this group with great interest.
Let me share with you the feeling in the investment community.
In the investment community (simply put, right or wrong)
EDI/EAI : Bad, old news, approaching history.
XML : new, good news, panacea.
Of course, the investment community is never wrong.
Thanks to the arguments from both sides, I am much well informed
than I was 2 weeks ago.
Can someone ref me to a balanced book/article/archive on the subject which
I could read over the weekend.
Thanks
Vikram Kaura
Equity Research
Dain Rauscher Wessels
612-313-1235
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Oskowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:55 PM
To: Bill Oskowski; Brad Hodges; martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams;
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Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
XML will move forward when it makes business sense. That means when it will
allow a company to make more money or save more money. My company is a
reseller of XML/EDI software and web based software, I believe in XML. I
just don't believe companies are going to throw away billions of dollars of
existing infrastructure. A way needs to be found to merge the two, not say
one will kill the other. EDI works, and is widely implemented. It is not as
difficult to implement as many on the XML side would have us beleive.
Companies have many needs and budget constraints. Y2k happened, HIPAA is
coming, and many companies are implementing SAP or other ERP solutions. All
of which are major projects both from a budget stand point and a resource
stand point. Why must there be only one way. The more likely course is to
use EDI and experiment with XML. I like new technology, we are focusing on
XML and the web in our training and for our future. But we will continue to
pursue EDI opportunities. Many large and small companies have major
investments in EDI. That translates to opportunities. I am willing to see
both sides of the XML - EDI question, and am willing to concede XML will be
implemented on a world wide basis. All I'm asking is that the XML side of
the discussion give EDI the same courtesy. EDI is a standardized way to
electronically process transactions and is implemented worldwide, EDI is an
entry way into many major companies, that path should be taken advantage of
not ignored.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Oskowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:06 PM
To: Brad Hodges; martin; kurt Svensson; Paul Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: rachelf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
This is a ridiculous analogy. EDI is adapting just like XML. Why must one
die for the other to live?
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From: Brad Hodges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
If you make the analogy between the industrial revolution and the
electronic business/commerce revolution, EDI and VANs equals basic
electricity flowing through wires. The internet is the 60Hz 120 volt AC
power grid standard, and XML is the definition of the electrical plug
standard. At some point during the prior revolution, it became totally
impractical for anybody to draw power from anywhere other than the standard
power grid. BUT!!!!, there were many electrical applications that
required power other than 60Hz 120 volt AC, so they drew the raw power
from the grid and converted and transformed the power into the format they
needed.
I think the same thing will happen in the electronic commerce/business
space. XML will be the standard plug. The EDI world will simply at
some point learn to adapt to the commodity power grid, (the Internet), but
they may do so by simple conversion or adaption. There is still a long
maturation process that has yet to occur in the XML space, but it will
definitely happen. Once XML has matured, it will become very difficult
to justify any new 'E' initiatives using anything other than XML. But
that still does not mean that EDI has to at that point cease to work! If
a huge corporation has a huge investment in an EDI infrastructure, they'd
likely only bother to tinker with it enough so that it can utilize the
standard information grid. Inside the corporation, they still see EDI or
X.12 or whatever, but at some point they will on the fly transform to XML
for no other reason that it was cost justified.
At 02:41 AM 8/24/00 -0700, martin wrote:
>My prediction, and I back it up with my investment in companies that work
>with XML technology. The big boys of EDI will try hard to hold on to their
>market. But I give them 5 years at the very most for them to have a
>significant share of the EDI business. There is a great forward momentum
>of XML development by many companies that I can see an end to traditional
>EDI. We are in a new economy. It's wasteful to use traditional
>EDI. It's more cost effective to use some form of EDI-XML. In the mean
>time some big companies will be forced to use some form of middle ware
>between traditional EDI and EDI-XML. But sooner than later XML will
>dominate the EDI market.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: kurt Svensson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:22 AM
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>Subject: Re: Re[2]: Is the Internet/XML Going to Kill EDI?
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>There are a lot of XML systems available today. Some of them are easier to
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