[YCLSA Discussion] Denialism,Denialism and illdiscipline

[Mduduzi H Vilakazi]

I cannot agree with you, comrade Senzo. Maybe I can If you can clarify me on the following:    Who started insulting senior leadership in 2005 - do you have substantial proof? Why do you advice JZ not to accept a public debate? Do you think JZ cannot stand a debate with TM? What do you mean when  you say "a liberation movement without a name and now without leadership? Was Polokwane (which elected the leadership)  a factional conference and not constituted by legitimate branches of the ANC?   These three questions, if answered correctly, can give a full meaning of your input. However I need to agree with you on the following: There is a crisis in the ANC, it is evident when members of the organization pack a hall for the preparation of "Terror's" National convention to be held on the 2nd of November 2008. The Terror situation is qualitatively and quantitatively distinct from that of both Sobukwe and Holomisa. There time is different so are the feelings and attitudes of people (in particular members of the ANC - disgruntled or not). Some NEC members are using a language that is un-ANC and insultive in nature. This has the capacity of setting a tone that cannot be reversed forever. It si TM's right to challenge any legal inferences made on Him in a court of law - This is one of the values of constitutional democracy. It is a subjective matter that should not be brought into organizational matters. Social ills like character assassination are how comrades conduct their day to day engagements. I do no agree with you that TM has infected people with denialism. He never denied anything (go through the HIV/AIDS, Zimbabwe and other issues) unless otherwise you have an information separate from the one I have. Even if (according to you) he did deny some facts, the current denial is over-exacerbated. No-one is blind to an extent that he/she cannot see how positive people view the Terror initiative, one need not be a rocket scientist to be able to see that. This gesture of attendance to the Lekota initiative is a clear indication that there is a problem in the ANC and some members are unhappy.   I think questioning someone's credentials is another way of sparking issues. Whether the issues are of substance or not depend on individual judgement. No one should have a monopoly of wisdom on judging merits and demerits of issues raised by comrades. If an issue is not appealing to comrades, comrades should refrain from entertaining such or call order if one has diverted from the principles of robust engagements.   There cannot be an era of blindly agreeing with leadership, if deemed ill-disciplined, disciplinary structures established as per the constitution should do its task. Members are the determinants of the path to which an organization should go, thus should be able to oversee the activities of the leadership - this is what we call vigilance. Should members miss vigilance, the leadership might alter the path that members elected them to travel. Hence congress resolves and leadership from all levels facilitate while members implement.       This message and any attachments relating to official business of the Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and intended for the original addressee only. The message may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. If you receive this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately and destroy the original message. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy, use, distribute, or take any action in connection therewith. The MPG cannot insure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained, nor that it is free of errors, viruses, interception and / or interference. The MPG is not liable whatsoever for loss or damage resulting from the opening of this message and / or attachments and / or the use of the information contained in this message and / or attachments.