Comrades, maybe we need to share some lessons on a couple of things here. The issue I want to take further from this debate is that of TM's right to clear his name in the court of law.
Legally, YES, TM is fully within his rights, as enshrined in our Constitution (RSA), to enter into a legal process to clear his name. So there is nothing illegal about TM's actions. Politically, within the ANC, if that individual right contradicts the organizational decisions, then as a discipline and committed member of the ANC, the organizational decisions will always supersede your individual rights. The organization is formed by different individuals, who commit to its Constitution, policies, principles, culture and decisions. The extent of your individuality therefore becomes subject to the collective organizational policies and principles. It is inevitable that from time to time there will be a conflict between organizational decisions and individual rights, and when that happens it is upto the individual to choose whether to compromise his/her individual rights or leave the organization. Let me give some few practical examples on this matter: 1. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION (RSA Constitution - Bill of Rights) vs ABIDING BY ORGANIZATIONAL DECISION AND NOT DIFFERING WITH THEM IN PUBLIC (ANC Constitution). When decisions are taken in an organization, some will not necessarily agree with them, but they are not at liberty to exercise their Constitutional Right to Expression, unless they cease to be members of such an organization. 2. FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION (RSA Constitution) vs NOT JOINING ANY ORGANIZATION THAT IS IN OPPOSITION WITH THE ANC. You cant be a member of the ANC and DA or IFP at the same time, even though it remains your constitutional right to do so. There are many examples we can allude to on this matter. So comrades, let us stop arguing on technicalities. As far as I am concerned, the decision of the ANC NEC on this matter superceeds, and must be respected by all members of the ANC. Anyone who seeks to directly or indirectly challenge such a decision therefore must be dealt with in terms of the Disciplinary Procedures of the ANC, FINISH AND KLAAR. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mduduzi H Vilakazi Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Denialism,Denialism and illdiscipline I cannot agree with you, comrade Senzo. Maybe I can If you can clarify me on the following: * Who started insulting senior leadership in 2005 - do you have substantial proof? * Why do you advice JZ not to accept a public debate? Do you think JZ cannot stand a debate with TM? * What do you mean when you say "a liberation movement without a name and now without leadership? * Was Polokwane (which elected the leadership) a factional conference and not constituted by legitimate branches of the ANC? These three questions, if answered correctly, can give a full meaning of your input. However I need to agree with you on the following: * There is a crisis in the ANC, it is evident when members of the organization pack a hall for the preparation of "Terror's" National convention to be held on the 2nd of November 2008. * The Terror situation is qualitatively and quantitatively distinct from that of both Sobukwe and Holomisa. There time is different so are the feelings and attitudes of people (in particular members of the ANC - disgruntled or not). * Some NEC members are using a language that is un-ANC and insultive in nature. This has the capacity of setting a tone that cannot be reversed forever. * It si TM's right to challenge any legal inferences made on Him in a court of law - This is one of the values of constitutional democracy. It is a subjective matter that should not be brought into organizational matters. * Social ills like character assassination are how comrades conduct their day to day engagements. I do no agree with you that TM has infected people with denialism. He never denied anything (go through the HIV/AIDS, Zimbabwe and other issues) unless otherwise you have an information separate from the one I have. Even if (according to you) he did deny some facts, the current denial is over-exacerbated. No-one is blind to an extent that he/she cannot see how positive people view the Terror initiative, one need not be a rocket scientist to be able to see that. This gesture of attendance to the Lekota initiative is a clear indication that there is a problem in the ANC and some members are unhappy. I think questioning someone's credentials is another way of sparking issues. Whether the issues are of substance or not depend on individual judgement. No one should have a monopoly of wisdom on judging merits and demerits of issues raised by comrades. 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