Comrade Mzukisi You are correct in everything that you said, but on one thing, Madiba did congratulate JZ for winning
He also said he believe that JZ has the capability of taking the ANC forward Comrade Kodlana >>> "Mzukisi Ronyuza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008/11/11 10:05 AM >>> *Maqabane Kagiso is correct to ask this question and Fundi is spot-on when she questions the motive behind Mandela's silence.* *Recently we have seen the former president of the country Cde Thabo Mbeki questioning the wisdom of the ANC when it said he is going to campaign in the coming elections. When he said Cde JZ was going to campaign for the ANC after his sacking from government by him, JZ accepted this because the ANC spoke and this, he understood, was inherent on any member of the ANC to campaign for the organisation.* ** *It is pure chicanery for Cde Mandela to be quiet at this point when this movement needs him. Apart from that he never congratulated JZ after winning in Polokwane. He never said anything when there was ill-discipline by a certain grouping that came to be known as Shikota but towards Polokwane he was vocal on the discipline in the ANC. * ** *I believe that Tata has an axe to grind with whoever in the ANC leadership or the ANC itself. Don't forget that Tata was never a believer in the Party and its politics and this put me to a question of belief on the Alliance itself. * ** *DO NOT FORGET THAT TODAY WE ARE FIGHTING BECAUSE OF THE GROBAL STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENT PROGRAMMES (SAP's) THAT COULD NOT BE ENTRENCHED IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT THESE SAP's WERE ENTRENCHED BECAUSE OF TATA: TODAY WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING BECAUSE OF HIM:* - *CASUALISATION* - *RETRENCHMENTS/DOWNSIZING* - *TRADE DEREGULATION* - *LOWERING OF TRADE TARRIFS* - *OUTSOURCING OF GOVERNEMENT "NON-SOURCING" ETC....* *I AM NOT SURPRISE THAT TATA IS QUIET BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO UNDO THE MESS THAT HAS BEEN BY HIS ANNOINTED BROOK, EXCUSE THE LANGUAGE NO PUN INTENDED.* ** *I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE ALLIANCE STARTED TO SUFFER MORE UNDER TATA BECAUSE OF HIS CEASARISM APPROACH IN RUNNING, I SAY RUNNING, THIS MOVEMENT. WE ELEVATED TATA TO A STATUS THAT WAS ABUSED BY THOSE FAVOURED BY HIM.* ** *SOCIALIST REGARDS,* ** *MZUKISI RONYUZA* ** On 11/11/08, Fundi Nzimande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Granted, we can respect the decision; but I, for one would > like to understand it's motive. > > Maqabane, we are now travelling through unchartered waters. > These are unchartered waters, because; whilst there have > been breakaways from the party before, this is the first > after 14 years of democracy. This period has exposed the > vulnerable underbelly of the ANC. That is: the ANC has got > unimpeachable policies; but it has been severely challenged > in translating them to reality for the reasons that I will > enumerate anon. > > * ANC cadres have been diluted by opportunists who joined > the organisation for the sole purpose of accessing power > and using it to benefit themselves and not to create "a > better life for all" > * The ANC cadreship was largely vulnerable to the > machinations of the '96 Class Project which usurped all the > power to limit the influence of the working class in > transformative discourse and implementation > * The ANC did not forsee and act accordingly to prevent > the warnings and developments contained in Kwame Nkruma's > works on neocolonialism, in particular the role of the > bureacracy in acting as stumbling blocks to genuine > transformation of public and private institutions to > benefit the working class (the working poor and the poorest > of the poor) > * The ANC could not prevent the schemes of the snake-oil > salesmen namely the capitalist class from using parliament > as its errand boy through sophisticated and corrupt > lobbying mechanisms > * The ANC could not stop the tide of nepotism in the > appointment of public service personnel > > These have resulted in the following problems: > > * The growth of a kleptocratic beureaucracy and public > representatives, who were not properly censured. You will > remember the Telkom debacle, the feeding scheme which lost > millions, the housing projects that were sold to illegal > expatriates, the Ministers who benefited from irregular > public tenders, the Minister who let a snake-oil salesman > give "vitamins" to HIV & AIDS patients, the Gautrain, the > Pebble Bed Modular Reactor rumoured to be a project of > former Eskom and government people, the rumoured funding of > former politicians by financial institutions whilst they > were still in office > * Poor service delivery as a result of the role of > uninformed, opportunistic cadres in service delivery; > nepotism; corruption and ineptitude. > * The growth of the culture of impunity, because the > anti-corruption exercise only focussed on perceived enemies > of the '96 Class Project. > * The lack of clarity about who exactly are the > beneficiaries of the infamous arms deal, which when fully > opened can reveal shocking, disappointing and discouraging > facts. > * A parasitic relationship between the former > administration and the press which allowed unverified, > strategic and potentially career-damaging leakages and > hints about perceived enemies of the '96 Class Project to > be published in national newspapers on a consistent basis > * The growth of an uncaring public administration and > government which sought to punish public servants by > witholding a living wage from them whilst consistently > increasing the wages of public representatives some of whom > slept during parliamentary sessions or used public > resources for private holiday jaunts or took their partners > on overseas trips at state expense without authorisation or > fired public service employees willy-nilly and costing the > state millions of rand as a result, to name a few. The > absence of care went into unending and fruitless debates > about whether HIV causes AIDS suggesting that if you > contracted HIV it's your own indaba. The absence of care > resulted in deserving people on lists for public benefits > being shafted for people who do not deserve them such as > public servants, their relatives and illegal expatriates. > * This allowed the enemies of the people i.e. the '96 > Class Project to amass enough critical mass (financial)to > begin thinking that they can challenge the party of the > people as it attempts to correct all these wrongs. > * This allowed the media establishment, with very few > exceptions to take position on the side of the '96 Class > Project and to continue to barrage our people with slanted > and biased stories about the failures of the ANC and > attribute them to the current leadership and to exaggerate > the influence of the sell-out party on our people. > > So, Madiba may be balancing quite precariously in the > middle hoping not to be tainted, because indedd there is > plenty of mudslinging as a result of these developments; > but as we know no-one can sit on the fence for a long time. > Remember the ANC never, ever belonged to the faint-hearted. > We lick our wounds and get up to fight another day. > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:19:53 +0400 > "Mpho Tabane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Order comrade > > > > We cannot be asking such short-sighted question directed > > to one of the > > comrades that spend better part of their life fighting > > for the liberation > > struggle. > > > > Let as for respect the decision taken by Tata Mandela the > > old man really > > need time to himself,the ANC has too many caders that are > > willing to jump in > > and assist let us please not read too much into issues > > that will not > > contribute positively to the movement. > > > > Let us not seek to be always right in everything we do or > > request. Let us > > respect the Tata Madiba request and focus on issues like: > > 1. How we can reduce alcohol abuse amongst the youth > > 2. How can we make finances more accessable to youth > > entrepeneurs > > 3. How do we encourange public & private sector to offer > > more bursarys to > > our fellow students in Univesities and technikons > > education to reduce the > > financial drop out %.Loans to blacks at campus seems to > > be first option > > offered at campus bursary offices which is wrong loans > > must be last option. > > 4. Issue of HIV and Aids amoungst the youth which seems > > to be raising > > yearly. > > 5. Challenges faced by unemployed youth. > > > > Comrades the list is very long and this issue of Madima > > is really not a > > priority to us, we need to be accountable to the youth of > > this country and > > so far we are failing them and most of the employed youth > > now are slaves to > > debt because of poor financial management but we should > > have prepared our > > fellow African better and make them understand that > > driving the latest BMW > > on loan whilst your family back in the rural areas is > > struggling is wrong > > and we cant be proud of such people that seems to have > > forgot where they > > came from > > > > > > This email was just a point of order we sometime loose > > focus and we need to > > rely on our fellow comrade to keep us in focus. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM, kagiso nkhoma > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > Comrades > > > > > > I'm starting to understand what may lead to Nelson > > Mandela's speechless > > > when it comes to the ANC current happenings, Tata > > Mandela was requested > > > first by the NEC of the ANC to help in campaigning for > > his longlife > > > organisation, in a form of a message or a simple video, > > but he politely > > > refused. Due to understandable reasons of his age and > > health, but what i'm > > > failing to digest is the fact that he never said > > anything about the ANC or > > > it's plinter group. > > > > > > Firstly he congradulated President - elect B. Obama who > > is in a internation > > > political level and today paid tribute to Mama Makeba > > for past away today. > > > Does it mean that Madiba is not happy with the current > > ANC Leadership, the > > > manner in which it approach matters? > > > Does he prefer to substain from voicing out his opinion > > due to the fact > > > that he believes that COP expressed thier democratic > > right and he respect > > > the freedon of choice and association by the > > disgruntled members. > > > > > > Comrades lets engage, what may be running in Madiba's > > head about current > > > domestic politics? > > > > > > Is he also breaking away in soul? > > > > > > Cde. 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