Comrade Mzukisi you must shoot from an informed position, *Lets us leave Tata uMadiba alone*,
It would have been better if we were discussing about how are we going to do in order to win elections. Discussing about Tat' uMadiba won't take us anywhere. On 11/11/08, Mzukisi Ronyuza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > *Maqabane Kagiso is correct to ask this question and Fundi is spot-on when > she questions the motive behind Mandela's silence.* > *Recently we have seen the former president of the country Cde Thabo Mbeki > questioning the wisdom of the ANC when it said he is going to campaign in > the coming elections. When he said Cde JZ was going to campaign for the ANC > after his sacking from government by him, JZ accepted this because the ANC > spoke and this, he understood, was inherent on any member of the ANC to > campaign for the organisation.* > ** > *It is pure chicanery for Cde Mandela to be quiet at this point when this > movement needs him. Apart from that he never congratulated JZ after winning > in Polokwane. He never said anything when there was ill-discipline by a > certain grouping that came to be known as Shikota but towards Polokwane he > was vocal on the discipline in the ANC. * > ** > *I believe that Tata has an axe to grind with whoever in the ANC > leadership or the ANC itself. Don't forget that Tata was never a believer in > the Party and its politics and this put me to a question of belief on the > Alliance itself. * > ** > *DO NOT FORGET THAT TODAY WE ARE FIGHTING BECAUSE OF THE GROBAL STRUCTURAL > ADJUSTMENT PROGRAMMES (SAP's) THAT COULD NOT BE ENTRENCHED IN THIS COUNTRY, > BUT THESE SAP's WERE ENTRENCHED BECAUSE OF TATA: TODAY WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING > BECAUSE OF HIM:* > > > - *CASUALISATION* > - *RETRENCHMENTS/DOWNSIZING* > - *TRADE DEREGULATION* > - *LOWERING OF TRADE TARRIFS* > - *OUTSOURCING OF GOVERNEMENT "NON-SOURCING" ETC....* > > *I AM NOT SURPRISE THAT TATA IS QUIET BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO UNDO THE > MESS THAT HAS BEEN BY HIS ANNOINTED BROOK, EXCUSE THE LANGUAGE NO PUN > INTENDED.* > ** > *I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE ALLIANCE STARTED TO SUFFER MORE UNDER TATA > BECAUSE OF HIS CEASARISM APPROACH IN RUNNING, I SAY RUNNING, THIS MOVEMENT. > WE ELEVATED TATA TO A STATUS THAT WAS ABUSED BY THOSE FAVOURED BY HIM.* > ** > *SOCIALIST REGARDS,* > ** > *MZUKISI RONYUZA* > > > > > ** > > > > On 11/11/08, Fundi Nzimande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Granted, we can respect the decision; but I, for one would >> like to understand it's motive. >> >> Maqabane, we are now travelling through unchartered waters. >> These are unchartered waters, because; whilst there have >> been breakaways from the party before, this is the first >> after 14 years of democracy. This period has exposed the >> vulnerable underbelly of the ANC. That is: the ANC has got >> unimpeachable policies; but it has been severely challenged >> in translating them to reality for the reasons that I will >> enumerate anon. >> >> * ANC cadres have been diluted by opportunists who joined >> the organisation for the sole purpose of accessing power >> and using it to benefit themselves and not to create "a >> better life for all" >> * The ANC cadreship was largely vulnerable to the >> machinations of the '96 Class Project which usurped all the >> power to limit the influence of the working class in >> transformative discourse and implementation >> * The ANC did not forsee and act accordingly to prevent >> the warnings and developments contained in Kwame Nkruma's >> works on neocolonialism, in particular the role of the >> bureacracy in acting as stumbling blocks to genuine >> transformation of public and private institutions to >> benefit the working class (the working poor and the poorest >> of the poor) >> * The ANC could not prevent the schemes of the snake-oil >> salesmen namely the capitalist class from using parliament >> as its errand boy through sophisticated and corrupt >> lobbying mechanisms >> * The ANC could not stop the tide of nepotism in the >> appointment of public service personnel >> >> These have resulted in the following problems: >> >> * The growth of a kleptocratic beureaucracy and public >> representatives, who were not properly censured. You will >> remember the Telkom debacle, the feeding scheme which lost >> millions, the housing projects that were sold to illegal >> expatriates, the Ministers who benefited from irregular >> public tenders, the Minister who let a snake-oil salesman >> give "vitamins" to HIV & AIDS patients, the Gautrain, the >> Pebble Bed Modular Reactor rumoured to be a project of >> former Eskom and government people, the rumoured funding of >> former politicians by financial institutions whilst they >> were still in office >> * Poor service delivery as a result of the role of >> uninformed, opportunistic cadres in service delivery; >> nepotism; corruption and ineptitude. >> * The growth of the culture of impunity, because the >> anti-corruption exercise only focussed on perceived enemies >> of the '96 Class Project. >> * The lack of clarity about who exactly are the >> beneficiaries of the infamous arms deal, which when fully >> opened can reveal shocking, disappointing and discouraging >> facts. >> * A parasitic relationship between the former >> administration and the press which allowed unverified, >> strategic and potentially career-damaging leakages and >> hints about perceived enemies of the '96 Class Project to >> be published in national newspapers on a consistent basis >> * The growth of an uncaring public administration and >> government which sought to punish public servants by >> witholding a living wage from them whilst consistently >> increasing the wages of public representatives some of whom >> slept during parliamentary sessions or used public >> resources for private holiday jaunts or took their partners >> on overseas trips at state expense without authorisation or >> fired public service employees willy-nilly and costing the >> state millions of rand as a result, to name a few. The >> absence of care went into unending and fruitless debates >> about whether HIV causes AIDS suggesting that if you >> contracted HIV it's your own indaba. The absence of care >> resulted in deserving people on lists for public benefits >> being shafted for people who do not deserve them such as >> public servants, their relatives and illegal expatriates. >> * This allowed the enemies of the people i.e. the '96 >> Class Project to amass enough critical mass (financial)to >> begin thinking that they can challenge the party of the >> people as it attempts to correct all these wrongs. >> * This allowed the media establishment, with very few >> exceptions to take position on the side of the '96 Class >> Project and to continue to barrage our people with slanted >> and biased stories about the failures of the ANC and >> attribute them to the current leadership and to exaggerate >> the influence of the sell-out party on our people. >> >> So, Madiba may be balancing quite precariously in the >> middle hoping not to be tainted, because indedd there is >> plenty of mudslinging as a result of these developments; >> but as we know no-one can sit on the fence for a long time. >> Remember the ANC never, ever belonged to the faint-hearted. >> We lick our wounds and get up to fight another day. >> >> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:19:53 +0400 >> "Mpho Tabane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Order comrade >> > >> > We cannot be asking such short-sighted question directed >> > to one of the >> > comrades that spend better part of their life fighting >> > for the liberation >> > struggle. >> > >> > Let as for respect the decision taken by Tata Mandela the >> > old man really >> > need time to himself,the ANC has too many caders that are >> > willing to jump in >> > and assist let us please not read too much into issues >> > that will not >> > contribute positively to the movement. >> > >> > Let us not seek to be always right in everything we do or >> > request. Let us >> > respect the Tata Madiba request and focus on issues like: >> > 1. How we can reduce alcohol abuse amongst the youth >> > 2. How can we make finances more accessable to youth >> > entrepeneurs >> > 3. How do we encourange public & private sector to offer >> > more bursarys to >> > our fellow students in Univesities and technikons >> > education to reduce the >> > financial drop out %.Loans to blacks at campus seems to >> > be first option >> > offered at campus bursary offices which is wrong loans >> > must be last option. >> > 4. Issue of HIV and Aids amoungst the youth which seems >> > to be raising >> > yearly. >> > 5. Challenges faced by unemployed youth. >> > >> > Comrades the list is very long and this issue of Madima >> > is really not a >> > priority to us, we need to be accountable to the youth of >> > this country and >> > so far we are failing them and most of the employed youth >> > now are slaves to >> > debt because of poor financial management but we should >> > have prepared our >> > fellow African better and make them understand that >> > driving the latest BMW >> > on loan whilst your family back in the rural areas is >> > struggling is wrong >> > and we cant be proud of such people that seems to have >> > forgot where they >> > came from >> > >> > >> > This email was just a point of order we sometime loose >> > focus and we need to >> > rely on our fellow comrade to keep us in focus. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM, kagiso nkhoma >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Comrades >> > > >> > > I'm starting to understand what may lead to Nelson >> > Mandela's speechless >> > > when it comes to the ANC current happenings, Tata >> > Mandela was requested >> > > first by the NEC of the ANC to help in campaigning for >> > his longlife >> > > organisation, in a form of a message or a simple video, >> > but he politely >> > > refused. Due to understandable reasons of his age and >> > health, but what i'm >> > > failing to digest is the fact that he never said >> > anything about the ANC or >> > > it's plinter group. >> > > >> > > Firstly he congradulated President - elect B. Obama who >> > is in a internation >> > > political level and today paid tribute to Mama Makeba >> > for past away today. >> > > Does it mean that Madiba is not happy with the current >> > ANC Leadership, the >> > > manner in which it approach matters? >> > > Does he prefer to substain from voicing out his opinion >> > due to the fact >> > > that he believes that COP expressed thier democratic >> > right and he respect >> > > the freedon of choice and association by the >> > disgruntled members. >> > > >> > > Comrades lets engage, what may be running in Madiba's >> > head about current >> > > domestic politics? >> > > >> > > Is he also breaking away in soul? >> > > >> > > Cde. 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