Dear comrade Floyd, I would really like to take the debate on succession further. I did not have access to internet over the past few days, because of relaying between cities in the EU. It's clear that our representation of historical facts does not have substantial differences. The point of discussion is whether Cosatu is correct to have expressed its position about comrade JZ continuing as the President of both the ANC and the country in 2012 and 1214 respectively. The YCL has since supported Cosatu's position. The YL comdemned the move by both Cosatu and the YCL, stating that it's too early to debate the matter presently. You have said that you are a member of both the YCL and the YL, serve in both the NC and the NEC of both organisations, and up hold the two positions. I too, am a member of both the YCL and the YL, and currently serving, by virtue of being provincial secretary of the YCL, in the NC; I served in the REC of the YL in the period of our 22nd National Conference; and, presently, I'm based full time in Cosatu's affiliate, NUMSA, on a full time basis. I don't really think that credentials are so important that we can concerntrate on them and risk abondoning the real, substantive debate, succession. You are saying that you don't have a position personally on the succession debate, but that you uphold both the positions of the YL and the YCL. There is a theoritical basis to your position, that of democratic centralism; but there is absolutely no theoritical articulation. The positions by both the YL and the YCL, I would take it as a given, were arrived at after real, living human individuals expressed their positions in considering the matter and arrived at conclusions. That's the starting point. And I wish to openly state that, in this context, I do have a position on this matter. Secondly, the YL differs with the YCL. Please, can you explain how in practice are you carrying out both the two differing positions. This will help me understand your theoritical articulation, which I just said, you did not articulate. Having heard you on this point I'll restate my position. Cosatu and the YCL are right to express their views right now, JZ must continue in 2012 and 2014 respectively. That's my position now.
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From: Nyiko Floyd Shivambu [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Mon 7/6/2009 8:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Succession debate - the problems of
short memory
Let's discuss. What are the issues..... I was merely extracting facts
from history in order to enrich the discussion.
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