I agree. Let's close this debate and start it at a correct moment. On 7/17/09, Dalton Dan Gama <[email protected]> wrote: > > Comrades i will like to agree with cde Sandile Ngcobo when he says that let > us pause on disscussing the succession debate moving forward. Really now the > debate is continuing here in the forum more than in the outside public where > it initially started and week after another comrades are busy perpetuating > it to further extents please leaders let us just avoid this attempt of > ill-desciplined senior leaders in the ANC and not entertain them, > > On this one comrades: > > Radialism is intect, Amandla!!! > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear comrade Floyd, >> >> I would really like to take the debate on succession further. I did not >> have access to internet over the past few days, because of relaying between >> cities in the EU. >> >> It's clear that our representation of historical facts does not have >> substantial differences. The point of discussion is whether Cosatu is >> correct to have expressed its position about comrade JZ continuing as the >> President of both the ANC and the country in 2012 and 1214 respectively. The >> YCL has since supported Cosatu's position. The YL comdemned the move by both >> Cosatu and the YCL, stating that it's too early to debate the matter >> presently. >> >> You have said that you are a member of both the YCL and the YL, serve in >> both the NC and the NEC of both organisations, and up hold the two >> positions. >> >> I too, am a member of both the YCL and the YL, and currently serving, by >> virtue of being provincial secretary of the YCL, in the NC; I served in the >> REC of the YL in the period of our 22nd National Conference; and, presently, >> I'm based full time in Cosatu's affiliate, NUMSA, on a full time basis. I >> don't really think that credentials are so important that we can >> concerntrate on them and risk abondoning the real, substantive debate, >> succession. >> >> You are saying that you don't have a position personally on the succession >> debate, but that you uphold both the positions of the YL and the YCL. There >> is a theoritical basis to your position, that of democratic centralism; but >> there is absolutely no theoritical articulation. The positions by both the >> YL and the YCL, I would take it as a given, were arrived at after real, >> living human individuals expressed their positions in considering the matter >> and arrived at conclusions. That's the starting point. And I wish to openly >> state that, in this context, I do have a position on this matter. Secondly, >> the YL differs with the YCL. Please, can you explain how in practice are you >> carrying out both the two differing positions. This will help me understand >> your theoritical articulation, which I just said, you did not articulate. >> Having heard you on this point I'll restate my position. >> >> Cosatu and the YCL are right to express their views right now, JZ must >> continue in 2012 and 2014 respectively. That's my position now. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nyiko Floyd Shivambu [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Mon 7/6/2009 8:53 PM >> To: [email protected] >> >> Cc: >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Succession debate - the problems of >> short memory >> >> >> >> Let's discuss. What are the issues..... I was merely extracting >> facts from history in order to enrich the discussion. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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