Dear Comrades,
it's quite interesting to read the views or articulation of two leaders of UFASIMBA, both at different levels of leadership in the YCL. most participants in this forum know the leadership that both of you occupy in the YCL thus it's not important to mention your political background in this forum. It is with concern to note that cde Floyd supports the position of the two organisation, which he serves in the highest level of them. Cde's we have to take into consideration that the two structures have two different positions. I believe it is remarkable that our leader supports two different positions. I am thinking of you, Cde Floyd attending two youth meetings in different days and articulating your position on these issue(succession debate) in particular i am concerned about a young person that would unfortunate to attend these meetings and the the confusion you as a leader would have instilled to these young person. Thus it is important to be clear on your position, we all know that you have to serve the interest of these organisation. To avoid further contradition, you should at the most be silent about issues that are contrary within these organisations. To both cde Alex and Floyd, since your contribution into these debate one gets a feeling of two different comrades, who are at each others throats. Remember that both of you serve the YCL, so it's important to always present a united front in your deliberations to help shape young people and the organisation. amandla!! Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:38:01 +0200 Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Succession debate - the problems of short memory From: [email protected] To: [email protected] I agree. Let's close this debate and start it at a correct moment. On 7/17/09, Dalton Dan Gama <[email protected]> wrote: Comrades i will like to agree with cde Sandile Ngcobo when he says that let us pause on disscussing the succession debate moving forward. Really now the debate is continuing here in the forum more than in the outside public where it initially started and week after another comrades are busy perpetuating it to further extents please leaders let us just avoid this attempt of ill-desciplined senior leaders in the ANC and not entertain them, On this one comrades: Radialism is intect, Amandla!!! On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> wrote: Dear comrade Floyd, I would really like to take the debate on succession further. I did not have access to internet over the past few days, because of relaying between cities in the EU. It's clear that our representation of historical facts does not have substantial differences. The point of discussion is whether Cosatu is correct to have expressed its position about comrade JZ continuing as the President of both the ANC and the country in 2012 and 1214 respectively. The YCL has since supported Cosatu's position. The YL comdemned the move by both Cosatu and the YCL, stating that it's too early to debate the matter presently. You have said that you are a member of both the YCL and the YL, serve in both the NC and the NEC of both organisations, and up hold the two positions. I too, am a member of both the YCL and the YL, and currently serving, by virtue of being provincial secretary of the YCL, in the NC; I served in the REC of the YL in the period of our 22nd National Conference; and, presently, I'm based full time in Cosatu's affiliate, NUMSA, on a full time basis. I don't really think that credentials are so important that we can concerntrate on them and risk abondoning the real, substantive debate, succession. You are saying that you don't have a position personally on the succession debate, but that you uphold both the positions of the YL and the YCL. There is a theoritical basis to your position, that of democratic centralism; but there is absolutely no theoritical articulation. The positions by both the YL and the YCL, I would take it as a given, were arrived at after real, living human individuals expressed their positions in considering the matter and arrived at conclusions. That's the starting point. And I wish to openly state that, in this context, I do have a position on this matter. Secondly, the YL differs with the YCL. Please, can you explain how in practice are you carrying out both the two differing positions. This will help me understand your theoritical articulation, which I just said, you did not articulate. Having heard you on this point I'll restate my position. Cosatu and the YCL are right to express their views right now, JZ must continue in 2012 and 2014 respectively. That's my position now. -----Original Message----- From: Nyiko Floyd Shivambu [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Mon 7/6/2009 8:53 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Succession debate - the problems of short memory Let's discuss. What are the issues..... I was merely extracting facts from history in order to enrich the discussion. <br _________________________________________________________________ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
