Comrades i will like to agree with cde Sandile Ngcobo when he says that let us pause on disscussing the succession debate moving forward. Really now the debate is continuing here in the forum more than in the outside public where it initially started and week after another comrades are busy perpetuating it to further extents please leaders let us just avoid this attempt of ill-desciplined senior leaders in the ANC and not entertain them,
On this one comrades: Radialism is intect, Amandla!!! On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear comrade Floyd, > > I would really like to take the debate on succession further. I did not > have access to internet over the past few days, because of relaying between > cities in the EU. > > It's clear that our representation of historical facts does not have > substantial differences. The point of discussion is whether Cosatu is > correct to have expressed its position about comrade JZ continuing as the > President of both the ANC and the country in 2012 and 1214 respectively. The > YCL has since supported Cosatu's position. The YL comdemned the move by both > Cosatu and the YCL, stating that it's too early to debate the matter > presently. > > You have said that you are a member of both the YCL and the YL, serve in > both the NC and the NEC of both organisations, and up hold the two > positions. > > I too, am a member of both the YCL and the YL, and currently serving, by > virtue of being provincial secretary of the YCL, in the NC; I served in the > REC of the YL in the period of our 22nd National Conference; and, presently, > I'm based full time in Cosatu's affiliate, NUMSA, on a full time basis. I > don't really think that credentials are so important that we can > concerntrate on them and risk abondoning the real, substantive debate, > succession. > > You are saying that you don't have a position personally on the succession > debate, but that you uphold both the positions of the YL and the YCL. There > is a theoritical basis to your position, that of democratic centralism; but > there is absolutely no theoritical articulation. The positions by both the > YL and the YCL, I would take it as a given, were arrived at after real, > living human individuals expressed their positions in considering the matter > and arrived at conclusions. That's the starting point. And I wish to openly > state that, in this context, I do have a position on this matter. Secondly, > the YL differs with the YCL. Please, can you explain how in practice are you > carrying out both the two differing positions. This will help me understand > your theoritical articulation, which I just said, you did not articulate. > Having heard you on this point I'll restate my position. > > Cosatu and the YCL are right to express their views right now, JZ must > continue in 2012 and 2014 respectively. That's my position now. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nyiko Floyd Shivambu [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Mon 7/6/2009 8:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Succession debate - the problems of > short memory > > > Let's discuss. What are the issues..... I was merely extracting > facts from history in order to enrich the discussion. > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
