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I am against the manner in which we are approaching the debate, we need to spell out what kind of nationalisation we have in mind and we should closely examine whose class interests nationalisation in any particular case serves and that's is why I think it is useful to link nationalisation to socialism rather than discussing issues that won't help us to deepened the national democratic revolution, comrades we need to discuss issues with intellectualism and come up with facts. Comradely J.T Senne ________________________________ From: JOMO JACOBS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 27,2009 10:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is Enough Cdes, I am extremely against the manner in which cadres emphasises their points recently. We are playing the man instead of the ball. Cde Floyd's personal lifestyle has got nothing to do with a ANCYL resolution and the debate he is advancing. I think we are compromising our integrity and the credebility of the debate. By the way, Nationalisation of Mines is key. Jomo Jacobs ________________________________ From: morgan phaahla <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 12:01:03 AM Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is Enough My leaders, what's done is done - we need to move on. You're the only one arguing amongst yourself and in the process the debate is suffering. No one has the ability to break the Alliance except ourselves. We do not have any competition in the youth politics of this country - a fertile ground for us to entrench our hegemony for the future generation. Let's go back to main object of this forum and engage on matters of national importance without being bogged down to personalities. The time will come for leadership change if there is a need for it and internal process will be followed to the letter. For now, let's engage in the spirit of comradeship. Comradely Morgan "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Fri, 11/27/09, NT Zwane <[email protected]> wrote: From: NT Zwane <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is Enough To: [email protected] Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 2:39 AM Cde Blind loyalty in Africa is one of the things that needs to be addresed cde [email protected] <http://us.mc502.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> . Quoting [email protected] <http://us.mc502.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> : > Cde Zwane, your views are highly personalised and extremly unfortunate.The > nationalisation issue is not Cde Julis nor Floyd personal position, it is > a resolution of the ANCYL 23 National Congress and should be understood as > such. Well, if u hold a view of recalling ceratin individuals from office, > you simply go to YL Structures and lobby membership, i dont know how > bringing it here will assist you. > > >> Cde >> >> Cde Julius Malema is dividing the PYA and his verbal diarrhoea >> continues to destruct comrades from focusing on what needs to be done >> by all MDM structures "i.e. to create a better life for all". South >> Africans are still waiting for "The Better Life for All" that they >> were promised. Julius is forgetting that we are a non racial and non >> sexist org. Calling people white messiahs is really going against >> these principles that we always advocate as the MDM. Julius and his >> friends the MTV Crowd (Some ANCYL NEC members, obsessed with fame and >> bling, including Floyd) must be recalled because they are not taking >> us anywhere instead they continue to confuse the youth. >> >> Some of our branches are in institutions of higher learning where >> the majority of students are still whites. It is imperative for us as >> the PYA to convince these white students that we are pushing for a >> correct course. When we play a race card for no reason we are going to >> loose these white votes and eventually fail to transform the >> institutions of higher learning. Julius grow up it is not always >> about race, education sometimes enhances the way we reason and Julius >> you really need to do something about your reasoning capacity. >> It is not a matter of who is correct or not, we must not compromise >> our principles for no apparent reasons. When are we going to the NGC >> of the ANCYL where Julius will be recalled, and where real and >> honest leaders will emerge and help us in advancing the objectives of >> the NDR? >> >> Cde Floyd (ANCYL SPOKESPERSON) seems to be suffering from amnesia. >> Just because now he is driving luxurious cars and drinking expensive >> whisky's he is forgetting what he always preached at Wits when he was >> still an undergrad there. Floyd let us remind you, you always >> criticised and even demonised the ANC and its youth league for living >> flamboyant lifestyles which is by the way what you are doing now. You >> have a nerve to criticise the YCL saying they are coming with insults >> where as you are the one who always threw insults on the Youth League >> and the 1996 Class Project. Let us be true to ourselves and stop >> behaving like the MTV Crowd people who have no purpose and direction >> in life. >> Floyd you must go and consult someone who will assist you to regain >> your memory maybe you will start speaking sense, what you always utter >> nowadays are just sponsored views, or by the way if you don't push >> their narrow and ill-informed agenda the cars will just vanish. >> >> Proudly ANCYL, YCL and SASCO MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING University of >> Pretoria >> Nicholas Zwane >> >> >> >> This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer. Please refer >> to www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ for full >> details. / Hierdie boodskap en aanhangsels is aan 'n vrywaringsklousule >> onderhewig. Volledige besonderhede is by >> www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ beskikbaar. >> >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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