It is my view that the best approach we can employ in this debate of Nationalisation, is to openly engage as PYA and forget about targeting individuals whom we suspect as having hidden agendas about the subject. Equally I feel that it is unfortunate that VC is content with fact that Cde Sello's [as VC states] "impertinent presence" was objected by delegates to Special National Congress, a view that I am holding is that an opportunity to assist Cde Sello was missed. The other thing I agree with Cde Senzo that we need to have extensive debates amongst ourselves as members of respective PYA formations, also the songs which we sung @ the ANCYL Lekgotla including some individual NEC members who instigated them can't be left unattended.
However what should also be commended and encouraged is fact that, delegates from Provinces and Regions displayed a high level of discipline including respecting and appreciating the presence of all Cdes who were invited to the Lekgotla, especially our representation from the YCLSA. For me the Lekgotla was receptive to political engagement which I feel is what is needed. The other thing is that the researching and development of the [concept] document of the ANCYL Nationalisation of Mines is developed by Cde Nyiko who is member of the National Committee of the YCLSA together with other Cdes like bo Cde Vuyo. Lastly it is also my view that Cde Sello like the General Secretary of the ANC is articulating on positions of the ANCYL" From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The Times Nationalisation by the bourgeoisie is nationalisation for the bourgeoisie. In history, most of nationalisation has been of this character. It is not true that nationalisation, as such, automatically leads to benefits for the working class. Now, tell me truly, is not Julius Malema part of an Mvela group that is sponsored by Tokyo Sexwale, a big mining businessman? So what is going on? By the way, we have had this debate before. No way can the communists be accused of silence. When the communists did speak, they were met with screaming rage and insults. Why do people forget so fast? The insults, which I will not repeat, but there were many of them, and they included all of us, are the reason why comrades objected to the impertinent presence of Julius Malema at the Special National Congress. Or have you been blinded by Tokyo Sexwale's "report", which somehow fails to mention that Malema had been publicly insulting the communists, and I mean all the communists, for weeks prior to the moment when Tokyo pretended to notice for the first time that something was happening? Comrades, you are getting a lesson in something called demagogy. VC On 3 February 2010 07:40, <[email protected]> wrote: Qabane, cde mantashe articulates the decisions of the ANC as ANC GS and articulates the views of the SACP as SACP chairperson and let us not confuse his different roles. Infact I agree with the view that we need to have more radical approach but that can not be done by Gwede alone as ANC GS. That can be done by being more influencial to ANC NEC at large, become more influencial in all structures of ANC in particular and ultimately to have more radical change in ANC policies during ANC policy conferences and congresses. Cdes im very worried by the silence of SACP, COSATU AND YCL in issue of nationalisation of mines even if we dont agree with ANCYL version we must put more flash on it. May that is why we hear likes of Shabangu so strong about impossibility of nationalisation of mines and i wonder why. Infact cdes, there might be a reason beind the ANCYL call which we might not know but one will ask what is our position. Malemas say that Gwede is a goner might not be undermined maqabane. Malema thinks he is the POWER HOUSE of this ANC led movement and we must teach him a lesson. 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