There was a big discussion on this forum in November/December. In the last Umsebenzi Online a resolution of the SACP SNC was published, and posted on this forum, that deals with the matter of nationalisation.
Did the ANC YL take that SACP resolution into account? I don't think so. Nobody can say that the SACP and the YCL are silent on nationalisation There is no bible for communists, as communists. The Freedom Charter is not a bible. Lenin's works are also not a bible, but just to jog your memories, comrades, don't you maybe remember the following that was posted here in November, 2009? >From “Left-Wing Childishness<http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm>” (1918): “Dear ‘Left Communists’, how determined they are, but how little thinking they display. What do they mean by pursuing “a most determined policy of socialisation"? “One may or may not be determined on the question of nationalisation or confiscation, but the whole point is that even the greatest possible “determination” in the world is not enough to pass from nationalisation and confiscation to socialisation. The misfortune of our “Lefts” is that by their naïve, childish combination of the words “most determined policy of socialisation” they reveal their utter failure to understand the crux of the question, the crux of the “present” situation. The misfortune of our “Lefts” is that they have missed the very essence of the “present situation”, the transition from confiscation (the carrying out of which requires above all determination in a politician) to socialisation (the carrying out of which requires a *different* quality in the revolutionary). “Yesterday, the main task of the moment was, as determinedly as possible, to nationalise, confiscate, beat down and crush the bourgeoisie, and put down sabotage. Today, only a blind man could fail to see that we have nationalised, confiscated, beaten down and put down more *than we have had time to count*. The difference between socialisation and simple confiscation is that confiscation can be carried out by “determination” alone, without the ability to calculate and distribute properly, *whereas socialisation cannot be brought about without this ability.”* Floyd Shivambu has taken part in debates on this forum and cannot claim ignorance of these discussions the SACP's resolutions. Nor is he mandated with an SACP power or even a YCL power. He cannot bind the ANC YL to the SACP. Nor can he bind the YCL SA to the ANC YL. When Floyd sits down to write, he sucks his ideas out of his own thumb, if you can call them ideas. Because what I see is not ideas, but demagogy and insults, and "left-wing" childishness, which is really not left wing at all. When the ANC YL is opposed on this, we should expect them to make the same kind of uproar that they created last year. VC On 3 February 2010 09:20, Tshabalala,Lebohang (GPDPR) < [email protected]> wrote: > It is my view that the best approach we can employ in this debate of > Nationalisation, is to openly engage as PYA and forget about targeting > individuals whom we suspect as having hidden agendas about the subject. > Equally I feel that it is unfortunate that VC is content with fact that Cde > Sello’s [as VC states] “impertinent presence” was objected by delegates to > Special National Congress, a view that I am holding is that an opportunity > to assist Cde Sello was missed. The other thing I agree with Cde Senzo that > we need to have extensive debates amongst ourselves as members of respective > PYA formations, also the songs which we sung @ the ANCYL Lekgotla including > some individual NEC members who instigated them can’t be left unattended. > > > > However what should also be commended and encouraged is fact that, > delegates from Provinces and Regions displayed a high level of discipline > including respecting and appreciating the presence of all Cdes who were > invited to the Lekgotla, especially our representation from the YCLSA. For > me the Lekgotla was receptive to political engagement which I feel is what > is needed. The other thing is that the researching and development of the > [concept] document of the ANCYL Nationalisation of Mines is developed by Cde > Nyiko who is member of the National Committee of the YCLSA together with > other Cdes like bo Cde Vuyo. > > > > Lastly it is also my view that Cde Sello like the General Secretary of the > ANC is articulating on positions of the ANCYL” > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dominic Tweedie > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:43 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The > Times > > > > Nationalisation by the bourgeoisie is nationalisation for the bourgeoisie. > > > > In history, most of nationalisation has been of this character. > > > > It is not true that nationalisation, as such, automatically leads to > benefits for the working class. > > > > Now, tell me truly, is not Julius Malema part of an Mvela group that is > sponsored by Tokyo Sexwale, a big mining businessman? > > > > So what is going on? > > > > By the way, we have had this debate before. No way can the communists be > accused of silence. When the communists did speak, they were met with > screaming rage and insults. Why do people forget so fast? The insults, which > I will not repeat, but there were many of them, and they included all of us, > are the reason why comrades objected to the impertinent presence of Julius > Malema at the Special National Congress. > > > > Or have you been blinded by Tokyo Sexwale's "report", which somehow fails > to mention that Malema had been publicly insulting the communists, and I > mean all the communists, for weeks prior to the moment when Tokyo pretended > to notice for the first time that something was happening? > > > > Comrades, you are getting a lesson in something called demagogy. > > > > > > VC > > > > > > > > On 3 February 2010 07:40, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Qabane, cde mantashe articulates the decisions of the ANC as ANC GS and > articulates the views of the SACP as SACP chairperson and let us not > confuse his different roles. Infact I agree with the view that we need to > have more radical approach but that can not be done by Gwede alone as ANC > GS. That can be done by being more influencial to ANC NEC at large, become > more influencial in all structures of ANC in particular and ultimately to > have more radical change in ANC policies during ANC policy conferences and > congresses. > > Cdes im very worried by the silence of SACP, COSATU AND YCL in issue of > nationalisation of mines even if we dont agree with ANCYL version we must > put more flash on it. May that is why we hear likes of Shabangu so strong > about impossibility of nationalisation of mines and i wonder why. Infact > cdes, there might be a reason beind the ANCYL call which we might not know > but one will ask what is our position. > > Malemas say that Gwede is a goner might not be undermined maqabane. Malema > thinks he is the POWER HOUSE of this ANC led movement and we must teach > him a lesson. 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