I think it is very premature to discuss the 2012 conference and the perks around it , whilst we have a lot of work ahead of us, like how do we realised the ANC manifesto into practical reality, I mean just next year there is local government elections that require a lot of work, and I think we all know how these elections are important for the soul of the ANC, but we are discussing Mbalula and Gwede for 2012, then will claim to that we are the vanguard of the masses, I serious failing to understand such motions,
Samuel Somcuba Pre-adjudicator Small Business Amnesty Tel :( 011)449-8500 Fax : 086 544 3060 Email :[email protected] 'the only things that stand between a person and what they want in life are the will to try it, and faith to believe its possible" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nndwamato Mutshidza Sent: 09 February 2010 09:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Cde Sandile, Maybe you must tell us as whether the ANC belongs to a particular person or all members? I am raising this because there is nothing Commissar that prevent even you if you are a member of the ANC to stand to be elected as long as you meet the minimum requirement to serve at that highest level. The Constitution enshrine these rights too all of us include both Mbalula and Gwede. You do not get out of office because you have done anything wrong but because some of us might believe that you have what it takes to be agile with the agility of the Dynamic Liberation Movement. The challenge facing Society and by extension the ANC now and after the Liberation Movement turn 100 will not be the same as when it was formed 100 years ago. Therefore the ANC like any Organism should be able to develop new and adaptive tendencies that will enable it to respond to Societal Needs in 2014 General Election. Therefore in a multi-class organisation like the ANC, the political reasons that you will find will be as to who might be best suited to navigate our Movement in its quest to manage the contradictions in our society without eliminating any class, which total opposite to what Gwede might want to see happening. The class interest in this regards will be the deciding factor. Put it the other way round, does Blade in his Capacity as Minister of Higher Education advocate for Working Class based education or he respond to market forces in determining the education that respond to market forces? We hear year in and out that our Graduate are not able to adopt to market demands or our graduate do not have the prerequisite to respond to market conditions. If for example, Blade does not get elected in the Next Congress of the Party and of the ANC, will that mean that there is something wrong with him? NO, the ANC like other Allies is contested and democratic movement and allow members to be elected or seek election by lobbying and canvassing their interest. Besides the space is there and why only certain people should occupy this space. Why is it wrong for a Genuine members of the ANC and not by extension will be labled to owant to lead his or her only Organisation and be right for those that belong to all organisations like me or you to contest? Isn't this the very same reason that makes people think they own us? think they are supper comrades and think that there is no Movement without them? lets talk Commissar Tom Mutshidza >>> Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]> 2010/02/08 04:53 PM >>> can this Fani (Funny) provide us with POLITICAL reasons as to why Cde Vutha should be an SG in 2012, oh as well what has Cde Mqwadi did wrong; that's amount to his removal??? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Samuel Somcuba <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrade Fani please don't come with your power mongery tendencies in this > forum, we discuss issues here not positions, and besides now ANC is concern > with service delivery to our people not not 2012 conference still early > chana, be sober nehh... > > > > > > * * > > * * > > *Samuel Somcuba*** > > > > *'the only things that stand between a person and what they want in life > are the will to try it, and faith to believe its possible"*** > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *sipho shandu > *Sent:* 08 February 2010 04:06 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] > > > > Niyadlala....in simple english, YOU ARE JOKING!!! I am a staunch member of > the ANC but I am not going lobby for anyone unless the ANC itself tells me > through the following of the proper channells, not because Malema and floyd > say so...!!! > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Fani, V : Division Bookkeeping < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Comrades > > > > The debate is quite healthy, but my assessment on the response by Minister > of Minerals is disturbing for Member of executive committee of the ANC. I'm > of the opinion that the minister should have utilise the structures of the > ANC to voice her displeasure or concern on the draft document on > nationalisation of our mine and mineral resources rather than to run to the > Media and attack ANCYL statement. > > > > My second opinion > > The battle lines have been drawn for the 2010 Bloemfontein conference, we > are going to campaign, lobby for Comrade Mbalula to become SG. > > We are campaigning for the soul of the ANC and heart of the democratic > revolution. > > > > CMD > > Vuyani > > > > -- > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to > this message. > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > options, pages, files and membership. > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > put anything in the message part. 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