Cde Botipe,
Thank you for your long message.
Criticism is fine.
You say it does not matter who founded British newspapers. I have to
take that to mean that history does not matter. I don't agree.
Modern industrial capitalism was founded in Britain, and so too was the
trade union movement. So too was the Co-operative movement.
Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto in England.
Karl Marx took part in the founding of the First International in
England, at St Martin's Hall next to the present South African Embassy
in London. Karl Marx wrote Capital in England.
If Cde Cedric Gina was in England, he would stand a very good chance of
rising to the top of the trade union movement there. He would find that
his experience in South Africa would apply very well in Britain. He
would find that workers there share most of the same attitudes and
experiences as they do here. He would find that many millions of British
workers are black.
Many black people have risen through the ranks to senior positions in
the British trade union movement. My first shop steward was a black man,
and a very good man too. He taught me and I succeeded him.
The black community in general in Britain relies heavily on the trade
union movement for support in their political battles. This has been so
for generations past.
For Julius Malema to accuse Jonah Fisher of treating black people badly
at work, without any evidence, was vicious. This is what Jonah Fisher
called "rubbish". What happens now? Will Floyd go around hunting for a
black person who has a grudge against Fisher, so as to "prove" that
Malema's wild, aggressive, ignorant accusation was somehow true?
I post political education material here and some articles of my choice
from time to time. I make no attempt to keep up a comprehensive view of
the world. Others have the same opportunities that I have, and all are
free to follow my example, fill in the gaps, or not. I also take part in
discussion sometimes, especially if I have something factual to say.
If I post an article without comment, it does not mean that I approve of
it, or that I do not approve of it. It usually means that I would like
to know other peoples' opinions of it. First and foremost I read this
forum to learn.
Julius Malema is not my sole focus. I happen to think, like a number of
communist leaders in South Africa, that Julius Malema is more than
half-way towards being a full-blown fascist. Floyd Shivambu is a
renegade. These are not insults. They are descriptions.
I am a communist party member and an ANC member. Julius Malema and Floyd
Shivambu have attacked the Party, which is an ally of the ANC, and I
believe that they are waiting for an opportunity to do so again,
because, as tenderpreneurs, the SACP is their strategic problem.
Therefore I think it is necessary to prepare for that coming attack and
be ready for it when it comes, and not to be taken by surprise when it
comes.
As for chauvinism, it is a widespread problem, and not confined to
Julius Malema. It applies as between Affrican and African, as much as
between African and British. In my previous post, and again above, I am
trying to advocate for the primacy of class struggle in all our
thinking. The national question is inextricable from the class struggle,
and /vice versa/. One cannot speak of "Britain" without any regard to
its internal class struggles. It doesn't make sense.
I hope you noticed the media releases from the ANC and from CWU about
Julius Malema that I posted earlier.
VC
On 2010/04/09 01:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Dear V.C.
I have noted on many occassions that you are anti-Julius, with your
posting of articles about him in the forum that you have created.
Succesfully so, you have also managed to influence few gullible comrades
in this forum to behave like yourself. Now you seem to be defending the
foreign journalists and British newspapers. To me it does not matter how
and who founded them. They remain Western with anti-African agenda.
I imagine, with the report trhat came out last week about te wive to the
most senior uionist in the country and his wife's dubious business
dealings, you had no strength to post them here because of your loyalty to
his thinking of a possible socialism in this country. There has been
numerous reports that you could have sent about other cadres, but your
dislike of Julius has made him your sole focus. You are becoming a
nuisance with those posting and attachments from the Business Day and the
likes that do not represent the working class of this country. Even if we
participate in this forum at your mercy, but some maturity should also be
found in you.
I expect your disciples are going to insult me and your response would be
unfriendly, as you usually deal with those who disagree with you.
Your love of the MDC has depeen your dislike of Julius and has even
allowed this forum not to debate issues but to be a platfior to lambast
him, with no opportunity to defend himself. You have kept quite on his
recalling, not only today, but on previous occassions, but at the same you
imagine yourself as a seasoned cadre.
You go on to call the President of the ANC Youth League, elected by the
Conference, not a faction, or even by amending the Constitutin, a
chauvinistic. Is this how far you can dispolay your dislike of Julius.
Why am I surprise with that attitude? Perhaps I should not have thought
that you are teh person I thought you were when I met you at some stage in
my life.
Dear Cde Cedric,
Let me offer a little bit of factual personal witness.
You may be aware that I once worked for the London-based communist British
national daily newspaper, the *Morning
Star<http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php>,
as did my son James after me.*
The Daily Star is a bourgeois newspaper that was started deliberately to
undermine the Morning Star, which then challenged their publishers for
stealing our title. We lost that battle in the court and had insufficient
funds for an appeal. It hurt the Morning Star.
You are now sending round a PDF of the Daily Star and calling it "British
Media".
I think it is as well to remember that the class struggle is going on in
all
countries and that the class struggle is manifest in the media as in every
other aspect of society.
The Daily Star is a vicious anti-working class newspaper sold to
working-class readers for next to nothing.
Jonah Fisher's question to Julius Malema, as to why he was criticising the
MDC for working out of Sandton in this country, when Malema himself
actually
lives in Sandton, was a fair and class-conscious question which the
Morning
Star would have been proud to ask and happy to hear answered.
The people who work for the British newspaper and broadcast media,
including
the journalists, are workers, and should be respected as such, just as
much
as your members who may work for arms manufacturers, for example, must be
respected as workers even if the arms they make are sold to the
Imperialists
to kill workers in other countries.
The solution is revolution and not chauvinism.
Chauvinism is, as August Bebel put it, the socialism of fools.
Workers of the world, unite!
VC
On 9 April 2010 11:29, sabelo gina<[email protected]> wrote:
Please see how British Media present South Africa.
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From: Mmagauta More<[email protected]>
Date: Apr 8, 2010 12:36 PM
Subject: FW: UK Newspaper
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[email protected]>, Pumla Bolani<[email protected]>, Lemogang
Pitsoe<[email protected]>, Bertha
<[email protected]>,
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