> > Cde Botipe, > > Thank you for your long message. > > Criticism is fine. > > You say it does not matter who founded British newspapers. I have to > take that to mean that history does not matter. I don't agree. > > Modern industrial capitalism was founded in Britain, and so too was the > trade union movement. So too was the Co-operative movement. > > Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto in England. > Karl Marx took part in the founding of the First International in > England, at St Martin's Hall next to the present South African Embassy > in London. Karl Marx wrote Capital in England. > > If Cde Cedric Gina was in England, he would stand a very good chance of > rising to the top of the trade union movement there. He would find that > his experience in South Africa would apply very well in Britain. He > would find that workers there share most of the same attitudes and > experiences as they do here. He would find that many millions of British > workers are black. > > Many black people have risen through the ranks to senior positions in > the British trade union movement. My first shop steward was a black man, > and a very good man too. He taught me and I succeeded him. > > The black community in general in Britain relies heavily on the trade > union movement for support in their political battles. This has been so > for generations past. > > For Julius Malema to accuse Jonah Fisher of treating black people badly > at work, without any evidence, was vicious. This is what Jonah Fisher > called "rubbish". What happens now? Will Floyd go around hunting for a > black person who has a grudge against Fisher, so as to "prove" that > Malema's wild, aggressive, ignorant accusation was somehow true? > > I post political education material here and some articles of my choice > from time to time. I make no attempt to keep up a comprehensive view of > the world. Others have the same opportunities that I have, and all are > free to follow my example, fill in the gaps, or not. I also take part in > discussion sometimes, especially if I have something factual to say. > > If I post an article without comment, it does not mean that I approve of > it, or that I do not approve of it. It usually means that I would like > to know other peoples' opinions of it. First and foremost I read this > forum to learn. > > Julius Malema is not my sole focus. I happen to think, like a number of > communist leaders in South Africa, that Julius Malema is more than > half-way towards being a full-blown fascist. Floyd Shivambu is a > renegade. These are not insults. They are descriptions. > > I am a communist party member and an ANC member. Julius Malema and Floyd > Shivambu have attacked the Party, which is an ally of the ANC, and I > believe that they are waiting for an opportunity to do so again, > because, as tenderpreneurs, the SACP is their strategic problem. > Therefore I think it is necessary to prepare for that coming attack and > be ready for it when it comes, and not to be taken by surprise when it > comes. > > As for chauvinism, it is a widespread problem, and not confined to > Julius Malema. It applies as between Affrican and African, as much as > between African and British. In my previous post, and again above, I am > trying to advocate for the primacy of class struggle in all our > thinking. The national question is inextricable from the class struggle, > and /vice versa/. One cannot speak of "Britain" without any regard to > its internal class struggles. It doesn't make sense. > > I hope you noticed the media releases from the ANC and from CWU about > Julius Malema that I posted earlier. > > > VC > > > > > > > > > On 2010/04/09 01:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Dear V.C. >> >> I have noted on many occassions that you are anti-Julius, with your >> posting of articles about him in the forum that you have created. >> Succesfully so, you have also managed to influence few gullible comrades >> in this forum to behave like yourself. Now you seem to be defending the >> foreign journalists and British newspapers. To me it does not matter how >> and who founded them. They remain Western with anti-African agenda. >> I imagine, with the report trhat came out last week about te wive to the >> most senior uionist in the country and his wife's dubious business >> dealings, you had no strength to post them here because of your loyalty >> to >> his thinking of a possible socialism in this country. There has been >> numerous reports that you could have sent about other cadres, but your >> dislike of Julius has made him your sole focus. You are becoming a >> nuisance with those posting and attachments from the Business Day and >> the >> likes that do not represent the working class of this country. Even if >> we >> participate in this forum at your mercy, but some maturity should also >> be >> found in you. >> >> I expect your disciples are going to insult me and your response would >> be >> unfriendly, as you usually deal with those who disagree with you. >> >> Your love of the MDC has depeen your dislike of Julius and has even >> allowed this forum not to debate issues but to be a platfior to lambast >> him, with no opportunity to defend himself. You have kept quite on his >> recalling, not only today, but on previous occassions, but at the same >> you >> imagine yourself as a seasoned cadre. >> >> You go on to call the President of the ANC Youth League, elected by the >> Conference, not a faction, or even by amending the Constitutin, a >> chauvinistic. Is this how far you can dispolay your dislike of Julius. >> >> Why am I surprise with that attitude? Perhaps I should not have thought >> that you are teh person I thought you were when I met you at some stage >> in >> my life. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Dear Cde Cedric, >>> >>> Let me offer a little bit of factual personal witness. >>> >>> You may be aware that I once worked for the London-based communist >>> British >>> national daily newspaper, the *Morning >>> Star<http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php>, >>> as did my son James after me.* >>> >>> The Daily Star is a bourgeois newspaper that was started deliberately >>> to >>> undermine the Morning Star, which then challenged their publishers for >>> stealing our title. We lost that battle in the court and had >>> insufficient >>> funds for an appeal. It hurt the Morning Star. >>> >>> You are now sending round a PDF of the Daily Star and calling it >>> "British >>> Media". >>> >>> I think it is as well to remember that the class struggle is going on >>> in >>> all >>> countries and that the class struggle is manifest in the media as in >>> every >>> other aspect of society. >>> >>> The Daily Star is a vicious anti-working class newspaper sold to >>> working-class readers for next to nothing. >>> >>> Jonah Fisher's question to Julius Malema, as to why he was criticising >>> the >>> MDC for working out of Sandton in this country, when Malema himself >>> actually >>> lives in Sandton, was a fair and class-conscious question which the >>> Morning >>> Star would have been proud to ask and happy to hear answered. >>> >>> The people who work for the British newspaper and broadcast media, >>> including >>> the journalists, are workers, and should be respected as such, just as >>> much >>> as your members who may work for arms manufacturers, for example, must >>> be >>> respected as workers even if the arms they make are sold to the >>> Imperialists >>> to kill workers in other countries. >>> >>> The solution is revolution and not chauvinism. >>> >>> Chauvinism is, as August Bebel put it, the socialism of fools. >>> >>> >>> Workers of the world, unite! >>> >>> >>> VC >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 April 2010 11:29, sabelo gina<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Please see how British Media present South Africa. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Mmagauta More<[email protected]> >>>> Date: Apr 8, 2010 12:36 PM >>>> Subject: FW: UK Newspaper >>>> To: Lindi Sibiya<[email protected]>, Ngwako Mahosi< >>>> [email protected]>, Nini Nzimande<[email protected]>, Mbuso >>>> Zungu >>>> <[email protected]>, Sabelo Gina<[email protected]>, Raisibe >>>> Luthuli >>>> < >>>> [email protected]>, Basetsana Molobye<[email protected]>, >>>> Andiswa >>>> Mngomezulu<[email protected]>, Ndleleni Maqubela< >>>> [email protected]>, Kefilwe Mothibedi >>>> <[email protected]>, >>>> Joyce Matlala<[email protected]>, Morwesi More< >>>> [email protected]>, Mmule More<[email protected]>, >>>> Evodia >>>> Mokgele<[email protected]>, Lee Zama<[email protected]>, >>>> Muvhango JR<[email protected]>, Jane Sithole >>>> <[email protected]>, >>>> Gaborone Phahle<[email protected]>, Thokozane Kgame< >>>> [email protected]>, Pumla Bolani<[email protected]>, Lemogang >>>> Pitsoe<[email protected]>, Bertha >>>> <[email protected]>, >>>> Nhlanhla Xakaza<[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cedric Sabelo Gina >>>> NUMSA President >>>> NUMSA Head Office >>>> 153 Bree Street >>>> Newtown, Johannesburg >>>> 2021 >>>> Tel: 011-6891700 >>>> Fax: 011-8344320 >>>> Mobile: +27836335381 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You are subscribed. 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