Comrades There is a crisis of logic in this discussion. This I say because there is a desperate attempt by some comrades to gag others or prevent them from certain discussions. It cannot be true that matters of ANC and its leagues should be left to its structures because for so long discussions around polokwane featured heavily on this forum as did those of SASCO, COSATU and many other MDM structures. We must not be taken astray by self appointed agents, if a discussion is raised members of the forum have a choice to engage it or not. Mr Botipe must learn that this forum is not for the faint hearted, here principles take dominance over tendencies.
I have not heard anyone expressing views of hatred and anti ism for J.M and his political future as a leader of ANCYL but on his recent political conduct and discipline.Let us not degenerate because we hate certain discussions. If Comrades want to discuss J.M's political conduct and discipline let it be so and you must remember that there will always be two sides to it unless there could not be a discussion.However that does not suggest hatred or ant ism on part of those who contradict. Regards Cde George > > > I have raised teh issue of anti-Malema sentiments that have become a norm > with this forum. One expects to find such boring articles from fellow > comrades in the forum who have become the obvious proponents of hatred > against Cde. Julius. > > We heard the whole thing about the President of the ANC Youth League being > charged. Can w get original ideas, than your media stories. Is that how we > hace degenerated into the culture of celebrating each other's failures or > when fellow comrades are lampooned in the media? Have we ran out of > subjects for discssions? Have we not have enough Eastern Europen > discussioin and quotes on communism and the likes? Clearly the revolution > is becoming a joke. > > We have indeed become an anti-Malema forum and I am hoping, together with > those who are scared to speak on the anti-Malema forum, that this > behaviour stops. > None of those who have the energy to send bile here dare speak on the > failing SAMWU-SALGA talks, which should at least make us reflect on being > a worker in the Zuma-led SA, possibly comparing it to the Mbeki era. > Perhaos people can still send such articles from their favourite > newspapers. > > The fact is, whether comrades here push the anti-malema nonsense or not, > he is not going anywhere and even the DC won't expel him, as some of you > wish so. He will even get a second term, through being elected by the > conference, and only the conference can decide if they do not want him. > > Not any forum or media campaign. > > > > > > Malema Charged2010-04-18 13:00 >> >> Sabelo Ndlangisa, Piet Rampedi and George Matlala >> >> THE ANC has charged its youth leader Julius Malema with misconduct. >> >> The disciplinary process will take place at a meeting of the ruling >> party’s >> top six officials at Luthuli House tomorrow. >> >> The meeting comes just days after ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe >> served Malema with a letter notifying him of pending disciplinary >> action >> against him. >> >> In the letter Mantashe apparently expressed the ruling party’s >> displeasure >> at Malema’s threat to continue singing the song Dubul’ibhunu – albeit in >> a >> revised form – and for kicking out BBC journalist Jonah Fisher from an >> ANCYL >> press conference earlier this month. >> >> Several ANCYL leaders confirmed the existence of the letter and a text >> message that youth league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu sent to the >> league’s >> provincial leaders informing them that the ANC had charged Malema with >> ill-discipline. >> >> In the text Shivambu also called on provincial leaders to issue >> statements >> to local media in support of Malema. >> >> “ANC outgoing secretary-general Gwede Mantashe has written a letter to >> ANC >> Youth League president charging him with ill-discipline for speaking on >> behalf of the youth league on revolutionary songs, expression of shock >> with >> the public condemnation and the BBC journalist incident. Provinces are >> requested to release statements in defence of the president. >> >> Please target your local media and forward all statements to >> [email protected]. Floyd,” the text says. >> >> Yesterday Shivambu denied any knowledge of Malema being charged. He >> confirmed the existence of the text message but denied that it came from >> him. >> >> He said he received it from SACP spokesperson Malesela Maleka. Shivambu >> then >> paused briefly and asked someone driving in the same car with him >> whether >> he >> should confirm the charges. >> >> The voice of a male could be heard saying, “No! Do not confirm it.” >> >> Shivambu then added: “The president does not know, as well, about that.” >> >> A source in the Eastern Cape ANCYL confirmed that Malema had been >> charged >> and that Shivambu had sent the message. >> >> Other ANCYL leaders from the Free State and Limpopo also confirmed it. >> >> Last week Mantashe, ANC treasurer-general Mathews Phosa and President >> Jacob >> Zuma publicly condemned Malema’s behaviour. >> >> Zuma and Mantashe implied that there would be sanctions and consequences >> for >> Malema’s “alien” behaviour. >> >> After Zuma’s statement Malema expressed shock that the president had >> publicly rebuked him when there were established guidelines in the >> ruling >> party on how to deal with internal squabbles. >> >> Speaking at the funeral service of former South African Congress of >> Trade >> Unions leader Leslie Masina at Rhema Church in Randburg, Johannesburg, >> yesterday, Zuma said it was the ANC, not he, that had rebuked Malema. >> >> “If Zuma said something, don’t say Zuma said; it is the ANC. Let us >> think >> before we act, particularly in public,” he said. >> An ANCYL insider blamed Cosatu and some of Zuma’s close lieutenants in >> Cabinet for putting pressure on Zuma to publicly denounce Malema. The >> insider said the likes of Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane – a >> close friend of Malema challenger Lehlogonolo Masoga – were unhappy >> because >> they had lost control of Limpopo. Masoga lodged an appeal against the >> outcome of last week’s ANCYL provincial conference, where he lost the >> race >> for the league’s provincial chair to Malema’s ally, Frans Moswane. >> >> “They will not succeed. Julius and Zuma come a long way. Julius >> defended >> Zuma when it was not fashionable to do so,” said the source. >> >> By late Friday afternoon pro-Malema youth leaders were preparing to >> defend >> him against what they see as an ANC onslaught on their leader. >> >> One of them, KwaZulu-Natal Lower Coast regional secretary Wandile Mkhize >> said the ruling party had no right to charge Malema because he had >> spoken >> or >> acted on the league’s behalf. >> >> “If the ANC is bitter with the things Julius has said they must charge >> the >> youth league as an organisation. If Julius is wrong, he will be >> disciplined >> by us members of the youth league,” Mkhize said. >> >> ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu would neither conform nor deny that the >> party had charged Malema. >> >> “If he is or he is not, it is an ANC matter. It has nothing to do with >> the >> press or the public. Therefore, we would not comment,” Mthembu said >> yesterday. >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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