Comrades can we please not reduce the discussion forum to a place of petty squabbles and intolerance .
We must really be ashamed that a Progressive movement like the PYA has deteriorated to this?? At a time where we are supposed to be at the forefront of youth struggles and mobilising our constituencies to go out in numbers to vote, we want to showcase who is more dialectical than the other! Its a disgrace comrades. What message are we giving to lower structures, who are evidently drowning in confusion on all these theatrics?? When the PYA contests each other in institutions of higher learning? When we don't have joint programmes on very critical matters such as the attainment of Free Education, approach to Nationalisation, Jobs for Youth movement-initiatives by all components of the PYA! As we tear each other part, right wing reactionary forces gain momentum and re-organise within our constituencies comrades! Let's not lose sight of the real enemy, let's not be reduced to hollow barking dogs like those in Animal farm- our mission has become deeper and more relevant as we fight for economic emancipation for young people withering away in pitfalls of poverty. . . I am a proud member of the YCL and the ANCYL . I was active in SASCO at the then Wits Technikon. I refuse to believe that the PYA is no longer relevant. All these organisations have played a role in my political growth and ideological shaping- I believe it has done the same for others. . . Comrades the PYA can never be compromised by petty politicking; it would be a sad day in history Gugu Ndima Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: sive gumenge <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 04:35:34 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Cc: Lazola Ndamase<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: [CU] City Press By:Cedric Mboyisa "Nzimande the ‘anti-communist’" Date:2011-03-21 Dear Lazola, Please don't flutter us. Regards, madala On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Lazola Ndamase <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrade VC and others > > I barely comment in this forum, simply because I believe I can learn > through the dialogue of others. The only time I am ever in the forum is when > I post statements of SASCO: all of which by the way have been barely > critical of the Minister of Higher Education. I wonder what then do you mean > "what you know of Lazola Ndamase in this forum"? > > I remember a good friend of mine: Lazola Ndlazilwana, one who comments as > consistently as others here, teasing me that I often get knuckled for his > views. I am not suggesting that the culprit is probably comrade Lazola > Ndlazilwana, but I am quite sure, there is little known of me in this forum. > Of course, I am Secretary General of SASCO and I take full responsibility of > SASCO's comments and I stand by them. > > But I think it is a little unfair to insinuate any knowledge in this forum > of me. Whether or not you or others are happy about SASCO's comments about > Nzimande the past weekend nobody has a right to portray me as though I have > a reputation (good or bad) in this forum. By the way, when the DA called for > Nzimande's head late last year we said: once more signed in my name: > > *"The Minister of Higher Education – Dr Blade Nzimande – is one of the > most active, energetic and responsive ministers of the whole Zuma > government. He is probably the best minister in the Education cluster since > the dawn of democracy. Anybody that suggests otherwise is not only > opportunistic but petty.* > > * * > > *We believe that the statement attributed to the DA calling for the > resignation or removal of Dr Blade Nzimande is naked opportunism of the > worst order. Thus far, Higher Education is controlled by liberal ideas > similar to those of the DA and they cannot bear a Minister that is willing > to challenge their stranglehold on education.* > > * * > *We call on the Minister of Higher Education to relax and do his work > diligently; nothing will remove him from his position. We call on the > Minister of Higher Education to radically change the face of Higher > Education by implementing free Higher Education."* > > So much for a reputation. > > I look foward to continue to learn from the engagements in this forum with > the hope that my views and those of others will be judged on the basis of > what we have said and indeed done rather than on the sweeping statement > comrade Dominic has made about me. > > Communist Regards > > Lazola Ndamase > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Sibusiso Mimi <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Cde VC >> >> I hope Mboyisa has taken no offense as there are no such intentions. There >> are few like him. >> >> regards, >> Sibusiso >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dominic Tweedie < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Fine Cde Mimi but I don't know why you needed to create suspicions about >>> my good friend Cedric Mboyisa, whom I have known since he was a young junior >>> reporter on the North East Tribune, after which he went to The Citizen. Now >>> he is at the City Press. >>> >>> Many other comrades have had media dealings with Cedric and I am sure >>> they will all bear me out. This is a journalist who listens carefully and >>> does his best. He is one of the best. >>> >>> There is no evidence that Cedric made anything up here. On the contrary, >>> what we know of Lazola Ndamase from this forum tends to confirm what Cedric >>> has reported. >>> >>> Otherwise, I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> VC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 March 2011 15:27, Sibusiso Mimi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure what to make of this -- true, students have serious >>>> challenges facing them and impending on objectives such as access to >>>> quality >>>> education etc. That being said, none of it warrants an undisciplined and >>>> savaged attack on the SACP's general secretary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cdes always make a mistake of confusing some journalists’ hypocrisy with >>>> real interest to their issues. Some of these journalists’ only interest is >>>> to sell papers -- therefore painting a picture of a general >>>> secretary/minister under-siege by some left leaning student bodies sells >>>> papers and is quite entertaining. And, unfortunately, this happens at the >>>> detriment of the real message from the students! Cdes must avoid being >>>> famous for wrong reasons during this time and allow themselves to be >>>> tricked >>>> into saying regrettable statements. Statements such as “the minister is an >>>> indecisive coward” and “This is the worst form of anti-communism and a >>>> crime >>>> against the sons and daughters of the working class and is a betrayal to >>>> the >>>> struggle” is very regrettable, not only that but populist in my view. When >>>> the SACP allowed blade to serve his country as a cabinet minister -- we did >>>> not also give him an ability to perform miracles. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cdes seems to find throwing insults around especially targeting elected >>>> leadership of our movement fashionable – it is not, but only entertaining >>>> to >>>> the Capitalists! A free circus which is sickening to the working class that >>>> voted our leadership in power. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Steve Peterson <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nzimande the ‘anti-communist’ >>>>> >>>>> By Cedric Mboyisa >>>>> >>>>> Two left-leaning student bodies have torn into Higher Education >>>>> Minister Blade Nzimande, calling for his head and accusing him of >>>>> anti-communism and anti-working class behaviour. >>>>> >>>>> In a scathing attack on the South African Communist Party (SACP) boss >>>>> (Nzimande), South African Students’ Congress (Sasco) secretary-general >>>>> Lazola Ndamase charged that his department was moving at a snail’s pace to >>>>> ensure there was transformation in tertiary institutions and >>>>> implementation >>>>> of free education. >>>>> >>>>> “This is the worst form of anti-communism and a crime against the sons >>>>> and daughters of the working class and is a betrayal to the struggle,” he >>>>> said. >>>>> >>>>> Speaking to City Press, Ndamase (who is also a Young Communist League >>>>> member) said Nzimande was a “coward” with a lack of decisiveness. >>>>> >>>>> “He is not running the higher education correctly. He has not made any >>>>> fundamental changes as one would have expected from a revolutionary >>>>> communist.” >>>>> >>>>> The South African Union of Students (Saus) has called for a vote of >>>>> no-confidence in Nzimande. >>>>> >>>>> “Minister Nzimande is proving to be an obstruction to progress on >>>>> government’s goals regarding education. We will sit-in at the offices of >>>>> the >>>>> minister to show our discontent and utter disappointment,” read a >>>>> statement >>>>> by the Saus national executive committee. >>>>> >>>>> Saus and Sasco said they were ignored by Nzimande when they marched to >>>>> his Pretoria offices yesterday to complain about the lack of >>>>> implementation >>>>> of free education. >>>>> >>>>> “Despite the fact that we notified the Department of Higher Education >>>>> and Training on time, there was no one to receive our memorandum of >>>>> demands >>>>> and we had to settle for anybody we could find to accept this important >>>>> memorandum,” said Ndamase. >>>>> >>>>> Ministerial spokesperson Nqaba Nqandela said it was unfortunate that >>>>> the two student bodies had opted to go public before discussing their >>>>> concerns with Nzimande. >>>>> >>>>> “The minister’s door is always open to them. We will not be deterred. >>>>> We believe we are on track. We have had great achievements,” he added. >>>>> >>>>> SACP spokesperson Malesela Maleka said Sasco was being “mischievous”. >>>>> >>>>> “Sasco does not have a manual on what constitutes communism or not. >>>>> They cannot expect him to go there and behave like a maverick as if there >>>>> were no constraints,” he added. >>>>> >>>>> He said the real issue was that there was a concerted agenda to portray >>>>> Nzimande as an “incapable leader of the SACP”. >>>>> >>>>> A former senior Young Communist League (YCL) member from KwaZulu-Natal >>>>> said it was very clear that Nzimande could not cope with the pressure of >>>>> being simultaneously the minister and SACP boss. Debate in the alliance >>>>> has >>>>> been raging about Nzimande’s two roles. Cosatu general secretary >>>>> Zwelinzima Vavi has urged him to quit as a minister. >>>>> >>>>> The Nzimande matter has led to tensions in the SACP. >>>>> >>>>> Politburo member and former YCL chairperson David Masondo has been >>>>> suspended. Masondo is seen as close ally of ANC Youth League president >>>>> Julius Malema. >>>>> >>>>> Malema and Nzimande do not see eye-to-eye, especially on the >>>>> controversial issue of nationalisation of mines. >>>>> >>>>> The YCL has expelled Masondo allies Phindile Kunene and Patrick Makape. >>>>> Some see this as a purge of anti-Nzimande elements >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You are subscribed to the "Communist University" e-mail forum. >>>>> The group site is at >>>>> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Communist-University >>>>> The Communist University blog at http://domza.blogspot.com/ and our >>>>> wikispace web site is at http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]; or e-mail >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Sibusiso Mimi >>>> Mobile: +27 (0) 760211216 >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You are subscribed. 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