I am surprised that so many of you comrades walk into the liberal trap so easily.
Of course a government can never do "enough" under a bourgeois class-dictatorship. We know this Do you think it therefore follows that we need a different bourgeois government? If so, then go and join the DA! The whole "delivery" story is based on this fallacy. Why then are we beating our backs with a stick made by the DA? Worse, there are organised students who are attempting to drive the ANC into the same "delivery" corner. Instead of taking up the measures laid on by the Ministry of Higher Education to get more students into education, they denounce these as "not enough" and refuse to cooperate with them! They use same cheap jibes that the DA always uses. To my surprise I now see that on the day that the DTI has announced further measures of job creation, comrades on here are already denouncing them. "Delivery" is baby talk. "Delivery" is reformism, comrades. Why not think for a moment before you start trying to twist the ANC's arm up its back while the DA beats them up in front? Think whose cause you are furthering. Of course there can never be enough "delivery". Even in Libya, where the standard of living was higher than anywhere else in Africa, the Imperialists were easily able to find collaborators who were complaining about "delivery". Populists and reactionaries can always cry about delivery, *and they will always do so loudest exactly when there is delivery*! You check back and you will see what I mean. Now is the time to make a reality of IPAP2, Growth Path, and National Plan. Or else find yourselves tailing the right wing on the basis of fraudulent populist slogans about "delivery". Maybe some of you have started to believe them? Then make your choice accordingly, but the rest of you should rather try to build up some revolutionary political knowledge instead of running after "delivery" like idiots. VC On 7 April 2011 11:43, <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree there are many displaced youth as well as many without educational > assistance though they got great grades. The argument that says they've done > this and that shouldn't be used as a debating tool because ultimately all > govt are voted into power with an expectation to deliver. It is the rate of > delivery that determines success > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: * thabo mathiba <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:33:19 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC YOUTH LEAGUE DISAGREES WITH > THEOBSERVATIONS OF COSATU GENERAL SECRETARY ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT ELECTIONS: > > indeed the goverment has tried buts its not enough,and i think we will > never see enough as long as our leaders continue putting their intrests > above that of citzen,the recent study by sairr that many of the youth in our > country at 24 years are doing nothing ,not at school,working or attending > any training of some sort is alarming.with that said south africa is still a > nice place to live in and alive with possibilieties if our leaders can do > what they where voted for. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:03 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If I may comrades, >> >> I think we must stop these little petty personal attacks but try and >> discuss the core issues of these statements. >> >> I know that the ruling party in partnership with its alliances have done a >> lot in SA. I think the real question to be asked is, IS IT ENOUGH. >> >> Has government done enough for everyone? The youth league has recently >> said that those who vote ANC are living heaven in earth or something along >> those lines, IS IT Really like that. >> >> Let us not stick our head in the sand and admit we can do better and do >> so. >> >> I close >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Sibusiso Mimi <[email protected]> >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:23:12 +0200 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Cc: *Bongani Dlamini<[email protected]>; < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC YOUTH LEAGUE DISAGREES WITH THE >> OBSERVATIONS OF COSATU GENERAL SECRETARY ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT ELECTIONS: >> >> This is embarrassing – this response is as if it was written in a night >> club – ZAR probably! Instead of engaging substantial issues, this response >> is rather childish in its view and contest the assertions made by cde Vavi >> but offers nothing. It is a drunken response to real issues facing our >> country one of which being mass unemployment and widening inequalities. It >> is no secret; the ANC is going into the local government elections >> contemplating real challenges such as entrenched corruption in local >> government, chronic poverty and many other social ills. >> >> >> I'm sure Cosatu is very much aware of the inroads made by the ANC since we >> came top power but you cant simply wish the current challenges away -- the >> ANCYL rather should make proposals on how to deal with the current >> challenges. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Bongani Dlamini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> ANC YOUTH LEAGUE DISAGREES WITH THE OBSERVATIONS OF COSATU GENERAL >>> SECRETARY ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT ELECTIONS: >>> >>> 06 April 2011 >>> >>> The ANC Youth League disagrees with the remarks and observations of >>> COSATU General SecretaryZwelinzima Vavi on the upcoming Local Government >>> Elections. In his address to the NUMSA Bargaining Conference, Comrade >>> Vavi said that “We [ANC] are going into elections with our tails between >>> our legs. With our backs to the wall, because we have lost 1,17million jobs >>> and 5,8million families are plunged into poverty”. In the same address, the >>> General Secretary of COSATU further said there is a possibility that we >>> might soon call someone President Zille. >>> >>> The ANC Youth League does not agree that the ANC will go to local >>> government elections with its tail behind the legs, because contrary to what >>> is implied, the ANC has done exceptionally well with regards to service >>> delivery. The ANC has provided water, electricity, roads, sanitation, houses >>> and many other basic services to millions of people over the past 5 years. >>> Whilst we all accept that there is a problem of unemployment, it is wrong to >>> blame unemployment and retrenchments on the ANC government, particularly at >>> local level. The ANC goes into the local government elections with its head >>> very high because we have fulfilled more than 80% of the promises made in >>> the 2006 Local Government Elections. >>> >>> The General Secretary of COSATU should understand better than anyone that >>> job losses that occurred because of the world economic recession cannot be >>> blamed on the ANC, but on many other factors that are beyond the ANC’s >>> control. Instead of educating workers that job-losses are a result of global >>> economic crisis, the General Secretary of COSATU implies that the ANC is >>> responsible for the job-losses. The ANC government carries a responsibility >>> of building sustainable livelihoods for all thepeople of South Africa and >>> is on track with regards to functions it can play. There are also >>> commendable efforts in the ANC to mobilise the whole of society, >>> particularly the private sector to create job opportunities for majority >>> of the people. These efforts should be appreciated, and properly >>> communicated because anything that creates the impression that the ANC is >>> responsible for job-losses is misleading. >>> >>> An imagination that Helen Zille will ever be President of South Africa is >>> alarmist because Helen Zille will never be President of South Africa, even >>> if the sun can set from a different direction. Majority of the people of >>> South Africa know very well that Helen Zille represents the interests of >>> some white people and play on their insecurities to secure votes and >>> funding. Helen Zille has demonstrated in the decisions taken by the DA >>> government in the Western Cape that she has not regard of black >>> communities. The DA will never lead South Africa and no one in the >>> movement should have such imaginations and because they are just >>> that—IMAGINATIONS. >>> >>> The ANC Youth League will forever protect the right of all comrades in >>> the movement to freely express themselves, but will always express our >>> disagreements on issues that are said in an alarmist fashion. >>> >>> Issued by the ANC Youth League >>> Contact Floyd Shivambu, ANC Youth League Spokesperson >>> -- >>> " Historical Materialism and dialectical Materialism are inseparable, >>> they go together and survive along" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>> to this message. >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>> [email protected] . 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