Cmrd Nathi and the VC Most public libraries have books on Marxist literature and online cmrd Nathi can google "Das Kapital", for some very usefull material. I have to admit though, that simply reading through the material once never helps. I had to go through every chapter at least twice to get some semblance of understanding.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected] > wrote: > > Dear Comrade, > > Since I am still on line, having been keen to respond to Cde NUMSA > President, I have seen your message. > > Please comrade, I think you should try to read and follow that thread, > starting with Julius Malema's "Hlomelang" article. > > You are asking to be armed with a dictionary definition of socialism and > communism, but such dictionary knowledge is never strong enough for the test > of real life. > > You would be better advised to read the controversies of the day, and of > the past, when these questions had material and immediate political content. > > Such is the case with the "nationalisation" debate called for by Julius > Malema, which even if Malema would prefer otherwise, must proceed to the > questions of socialism and communism. > > If you read what I have written this morning, you may notice that I have > taken socialism to mean "working class hegemony in all major sites of > power", which we might otherwise call the dictatorship of the proletariat, > or the class rule of the workers. This is a good enough definition of > socialism for our purposes. It is the kind of socialism that we are working > for today. > > Otherwise, socialism is a broad term. In the Communist Manifesto there is a > section describing various sorts of "socialism" that are not what we want. > You can read it at > http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm > . > > Communism means the self-managed society without class divisions and > without a supervising State. The socialism that establishes working-class > power will not by that fact alone abolish capitalism and the capitalist > class that practices capitalism. The capitalist class, and the working > class, will continue to exist until both disappear together with the class > struggle and the state, in the process referred to in the literature as "the > withering away of the state". After that there will be no classes and no > State, and that will be communism. > > My advice is that you stay with the real discussions and avoid discussions > that are not more-or-less directly connected to reality. > > > VC > > > > > > On 16 July 2011 09:17, Nathi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Greetings cmds I recently joined the YCL. Please assist me, what is the >> difference between socialism and communism? You assistance would very much >> be appreciated. >> >> Sotobe >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >> this message. >> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >> options, pages, files and membership. >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. >> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >> put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to >> this address (repeat): [email protected] . >> > > > > -- > The Communist University *Blog* is at: > *http://domza.blogspot.com/*<http://domza.blogspot.com/> > *Mail Subscription*: *http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/ > * <http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/> > CU Site for *downloads*: * > https://sites.google.com/site/communistuniversity/* > The *CU Africa* blog is at: *http://cuafrica.blogspot.com/* (Subscribe * > here <http://groups.google.com/group/CUAfrica>*) > The *SADTU* PolEd blog is: *http://sadtu-pol-ed.blogspot.com/* (Subscribe > *here <http://groups.google.com/group/sadtu-political-education-forum>*) > The *old CU site* is: http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ > Subscription/unsubscribing *difficulties*? Mail *[email protected] > * > > -- > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to > this message. > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > options, pages, files and membership. > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to > this address (repeat): [email protected] . > -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] .
