Dear comrades Can somebody please eost the SACP medium term vision, please.
--- On Sat, 7/16/11, Nathi <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nathi <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 8:34 AM Dear comrades Thank you for taking time to assist me. I. Now have a better understanding of the two terms. I still have a long way to go but I believe with the help of comrades like you I will not lose sight of the bigger picture. Nathi Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: Litha Yono <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:24:59 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Cmrd Nathi and the VC Most public libraries have books on Marxist literature and online cmrd Nathi can google "Das Kapital", for some very usefull material. I have to admit though, that simply reading through the material once never helps. I had to go through every chapter at least twice to get some semblance of understanding. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Comrade, Since I am still on line, having been keen to respond to Cde NUMSA President, I have seen your message. Please comrade, I think you should try to read and follow that thread, starting with Julius Malema's "Hlomelang" article. You are asking to be armed with a dictionary definition of socialism and communism, but such dictionary knowledge is never strong enough for the test of real life. You would be better advised to read the controversies of the day, and of the past, when these questions had material and immediate political content. Such is the case with the "nationalisation" debate called for by Julius Malema, which even if Malema would prefer otherwise, must proceed to the questions of socialism and communism. If you read what I have written this morning, you may notice that I have taken socialism to mean "working class hegemony in all major sites of power", which we might otherwise call the dictatorship of the proletariat, or the class rule of the workers. This is a good enough definition of socialism for our purposes. It is the kind of socialism that we are working for today. Otherwise, socialism is a broad term. In the Communist Manifesto there is a section describing various sorts of "socialism" that are not what we want. You can read it at http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm. Communism means the self-managed society without class divisions and without a supervising State. The socialism that establishes working-class power will not by that fact alone abolish capitalism and the capitalist class that practices capitalism. The capitalist class, and the working class, will continue to exist until both disappear together with the class struggle and the state, in the process referred to in the literature as "the withering away of the state". After that there will be no classes and no State, and that will be communism. My advice is that you stay with the real discussions and avoid discussions that are not more-or-less directly connected to reality. VC On 16 July 2011 09:17, Nathi <[email protected]> wrote: Greetings cmds I recently joined the YCL. Please assist me, what is the difference between socialism and communism? You assistance would very much be appreciated. Sotobe Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. 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