Dear comrades Thank you for taking time to assist me. I. Now have a better understanding of the two terms. I still have a long way to go but I believe with the help of comrades like you I will not lose sight of the bigger picture.
Nathi Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Litha Yono <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:24:59 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Cmrd Nathi and the VC Most public libraries have books on Marxist literature and online cmrd Nathi can google "Das Kapital", for some very usefull material. I have to admit though, that simply reading through the material once never helps. I had to go through every chapter at least twice to get some semblance of understanding. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected] > wrote: > > Dear Comrade, > > Since I am still on line, having been keen to respond to Cde NUMSA > President, I have seen your message. > > Please comrade, I think you should try to read and follow that thread, > starting with Julius Malema's "Hlomelang" article. > > You are asking to be armed with a dictionary definition of socialism and > communism, but such dictionary knowledge is never strong enough for the test > of real life. > > You would be better advised to read the controversies of the day, and of > the past, when these questions had material and immediate political content. > > Such is the case with the "nationalisation" debate called for by Julius > Malema, which even if Malema would prefer otherwise, must proceed to the > questions of socialism and communism. > > If you read what I have written this morning, you may notice that I have > taken socialism to mean "working class hegemony in all major sites of > power", which we might otherwise call the dictatorship of the proletariat, > or the class rule of the workers. This is a good enough definition of > socialism for our purposes. It is the kind of socialism that we are working > for today. > > Otherwise, socialism is a broad term. In the Communist Manifesto there is a > section describing various sorts of "socialism" that are not what we want. > You can read it at > http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm > . > > Communism means the self-managed society without class divisions and > without a supervising State. The socialism that establishes working-class > power will not by that fact alone abolish capitalism and the capitalist > class that practices capitalism. The capitalist class, and the working > class, will continue to exist until both disappear together with the class > struggle and the state, in the process referred to in the literature as "the > withering away of the state". After that there will be no classes and no > State, and that will be communism. > > My advice is that you stay with the real discussions and avoid discussions > that are not more-or-less directly connected to reality. > > > VC > > > > > > On 16 July 2011 09:17, Nathi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Greetings cmds I recently joined the YCL. Please assist me, what is the >> difference between socialism and communism? You assistance would very much >> be appreciated. >> >> Sotobe >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >> this message. >> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >> options, pages, files and membership. >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. >> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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