As for me, I'm really pleased with the no-CP cases that already exists. As most of them consists in a combination of 2 sune (or antisune, ..), these are really fast cases.

Although I usually donc like to have many cube rotations during an alg so I rewrote some of Chris' T1 cases with U or U' so that I can execute them faster (I think I'm sub-3 on all these T1 cases.)

Gilles.

2005/12/14, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I was refering to H1 with no EP.

That is, no CP and no EP.

My current alg sucks. Help me find a better one. I'll have to post
all of my H1 algs this weekend.



-Doug


--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For no edge permutation, you said you don't like that case?
> F (RUR'U')*3 F'
> 1.69 (2.39) 2.13 1.78 2.10 1.82 1.68 1.88 1.59 (1.56) 1.77 1.96 =>
> 1.84 average.  For 14 moves, that's 7.6 tps average.  It is a very
> nice case. :)  I started cube in hands, timing with stackmat.
>
> ~ Bob
>
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.
> >
> > It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered.
I
> > was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me
he'd
> > do this (all of them) over break.
> >
> >
> > -Doug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie -
H1,
> > H2,
> > > etc?
> > >
> > > ~ Bob
> > >
> > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these
are
> > the
> > > only one
> > > > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to
be
> > > improved.
> > > > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see
what's
> > > left to do
> > > > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > > >
> > > > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have
some
> > > sort of
> > > > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Gilles.
> > > >
> > > > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and
> > inverses.
> > > > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since
it's
> > beeen
> > > > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going
to
> > give
> > > > > some suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving
those
> > algs
> > > > > and give us timings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would
especially
> > > > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he
asked
> > about
> > > > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately
since he
> > > > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > > > >
> > > > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if
> > there's a
> > > > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better
> > than what
> > > > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem
to be
> > the
> > > > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim
it
> > first
> > > > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > > > identical thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to
everyone
> > for 3
> > > > > weeks :p
> > > > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we
need
> > to
> > > > > provide him a
> > > > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have
something
> > to do
> > > > > for that
> > > > > > period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January
so
> > my
> > > > > time will be
> > > > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can
surely
> > find
> > > > > at least
> > > > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gilles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard,
I
> > agree.
> > > > > mostly
> > > > > > intuitive algorithms)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a
group
> > about
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to
> > devote the
> > > > > time
> > > > > > > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I
would
> > love to
> > > > > help
> > > > > > > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I
> > really do
> > > > > cube
> > > > > > > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving
for
> > > > > California to
> > > > > > > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6. 
> > During
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > time I won't have any access to the internet
whatsoever.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it
> > would be
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for
> > roughly
> > > > > three
> > > > > > > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and
> > analyze
> > > > > cases
> > > > > > > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My question is this, what should we do about the lead
> > position?
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > would love to really be a part of this group and help
each
> > of the
> > > > > > > groups and try to do all of the group activities we
need,
> > but the
> > > > > > > truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very
soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case
the
> > other
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > absent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team
[zb] and
> > > > > would love
> > > > > > > to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan.
6
> > next
> > > > > year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who else wants to take over in a lead position and
make
> > sure the
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > is directed in a good direction?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited
to
> > see us
> > > > > coming
> > > > > > > together into a real research team.  I hope everyone
has a
> > good
> > > > > > > holiday, and in my free time between finals up until I
> > leave I
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > try to do as much as I can.  I will only be able to
analyze
> > > > > cases and
> > > > > > > generate raw algs while on vacation, but after I
return I
> > will
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > the free time and the ability to fully dedicate myself
to
> > our
> > > > > effort.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know what everyone thinks,
> > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > >
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