--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "rbs000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "dkotschessa" <dkotschessa@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On  Tuesday, August 15, 2006 DaveK, in response to Ian, wrote:
> > > 
> > > Ian..
> > > >--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "rbs000" <ijohanso@> wrote:
> > > >> It's a "stretch" all right. I find the "Buddhism teaches the 
> same
> > > >> thing as Christianity" idea an exercise in political 
> correctness
> > > >that
> > > >> is corrosive to the teachings in both traditions. They get 
> > watered
> > > >> down to the least common denomonator. I think we should just 
> let
> > > >> each tradition speak for itself.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ian
> > > 
> > > DaveK
> > > >I think your viewpoint is unfortunate.
> > > 
> > > For a change, I agree with both of you.
> > 
> > Apologies for being presumptuous, but it appears you are saying 
> this 
> > to appear diplomatic.  Do you think I am corrupting Buddhism and 
> > Christianity out of some need to be politically correct?  I can 
not 
> > see how you could hold this opinion at the same time as the one 
> > you've expressed below. 
> > 
> > > I think by earnestly following the teachings of both 
Christianity 
> > and
> > > Buddhism (and perhaps in fact most religions) you will 
eventually 
> > arrive at
> > > the same place.
> > > 
> > > Their teaching concepts and methods are different, sometimes 
even
> > > contradictory; but I cannot help but think the fundamental 
> > realization of
> > > their founders (in this case Jesus and Buddha) were the same.  
> This 
> > is
> > > because that fundamental realization is a universal human 
> (sentient 
> > being?)
> > > attribute and available to all.
> > > 
> > > This is what I want to believe anyway.
> > > 
> > > ..Bill!
> > 
> > "The truth is one, the sages call it by many names." Say the 
Hindu 
> > something or other's.
> > 
> > It's just different language to say the same thing.  I happen to 
> > believe the language of Christianity is less direct, and leads a 
> lot 
> > of people astray, following abstractions rather than following 
> > skillful actions.  But by looking at all the traditions that are 
> out 
> > there, the common thread emerges, and you can see what was 
intended.
> > 
> > Their realization was the same,
> 
> Okay - how have you come to know this directly for yourself - that 
> what you are calling "their realization" was the same?
> 
> I'd ask Bill the same question, except he qualifies it with "I 
can't 
> help but think" which makes it more plain that it is merely opinion 
> making on his part.  And he explicity ends with "that is what I'd 
> like to believe." 
> 
> But you say it like you know, so - how have you come to know this?
> 
> Ian

I think it goes without saying that everything I say is an opinion, 
so I don't feel the need to always qualify it. 







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