Al, I think if you'd reread some of the Zen literature, especially koans, you'll quickly see that what these people are talking about is exactly 'JUST SIT or JUST TAKE A SHIT or JUST FUCK or JUST DIE'.
Morals, ideals, etc... are all illusions. Why do we have them? I don't really know, but I SUSPECT (opinion warning!) that we have them because they make us feel good. They make us feel like the universe is orderly and, through understanding with our rational mind, we can have some kind of control over our lives. That's generally what religions are for - to make us feel like we have some control over our lives and destinies. All of this is illusion - maya. Why do you think we have morals and ideals? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Fitness63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: mike brown The only thing that is real is this moment now (JUST THIS! > ala Bill!)- nothing else exists outside of it. Nothing can exist outside of > it. Anything else is just wishful thinking and obscures a direct experience > of THIS. The simpleness of Zen is not disappointing (or "lame- O" :) !), but > liberates us from delusional thinking - and hence, unhappiness. Could > ultimate reality really be anything morer than just pure simplicity? > > > Shit yeah. JUST THIS is pretty fucking lame-O. Striving to JUST SIT or JUST > TAKE A SHIT or JUST FUCK or JUST DIE is really ultimately fucking lame. > > That's just my lame-O opinion, but just walking in the park is great fun but > if that's it then why have morals, why have ideals, why have anything? I > don't think that Zen is just be an animal and live at the same level as your > dog or cat. > > I don't think Zen is just to be a droid-like animal with your mouth agape, > thankful that JUST THIS exists and your are temporarily part of JUST THAT. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/