Andy, All randomness in nature is ultimately based in the fact that everything is quantum probabilistic at base. If the quantum world were not probabilistic there would be no true randomness, though there would continue to be many cases where the determinism was not computable.
However even the quantum world is not truly random, but random only in ways which converge towards determinism at the classical level, e.g. half lives are predictable even though individual decay events are not. So the upshot is that individual quantum events ensure that events in the universe are not completely determined, but that that non- determinism often tends to converge on outcomes which may well appear deterministic at the classical level, perhaps bounded randomness, or quasi-determinism would be appropriate terminology. This all goes back to my point of which way determinism actually works, backward or forward, bottom up or top down. Do the convergences determine the constraints on the quantum world, or do the constraints on the quantum world determine the convergences at the classical level. Are the laws of complex emergent events actually determining the fundamental tuning of the quantum world which seem to produce them, or vice versa? Or is it all locked in an unchangeable time symmetric network? Edgar ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/