Hi Chris,

Fish only have a 3 second memory so he probably wouldn't remember why he was 
going to the market anyway. Most probably does his shopping via the internet.

Mike



----- Original Message ----
From: cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 3:51:12
Subject: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. Part 4, 
Sense Consciousness


How will the fish get to market?

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:
>
> Mike and Mark,
> 
> Zen without Buddhism is like a fish without a bicycle...Bill!
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] 
On Behalf
> Of Mark Perew
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of 
Consciousness.
> Part 4, Sense Consciousness
> 
> Mike -
>  
> A toast to the things I cannot change!
>  
> 
>  
> On 10/15/08, mike brown <uerusuboyo@ ...> wrote: 
> Hi Mayka,
> 
> >My knowledge and insight about 
> >consciousness is rather limited. And therefore open to 
> >intelectualization and what is the worst speculation. Being aware 
of 
> >the harm that intelectualization and speculation can cause I'd 
rather 
> >keep quiet till real insight cames out. 
> 
> Well said. I really do enjoy reading the intellectual and 
metaphysical
> postings here, but at the end of the day, that is all they really 
are -
> headcandy for the intellect. That's why I guess I would call 
myself a Zen
> Buddhist. The danger of trying to extract zen from Zen Buddhism 
can lead to
> the charge that zen is nothing more than an "intellectual 
exercise" ala
> JMJM. IMHO an understanding of 'emptiness' without following the 
Eight
> Precepts won't  lead to a self-transformation as deep as following 
them. I
> don't remember who said it, but zen without Zen Buddhism is like an
> alcoholic going to an AA meeting in the morning and a cocktail 
lounge in the
> evening.
> 
> Mike. 
> 
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mayka <flordeloto@ ...>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 14:47:58
> Subject: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of 
Consciousness. Part
> 4, Sense Consciousness
> Hi Mike;
> 
> Which of the verses would like a comment?. These last three or 
> previous ones?. If you're refering to these last three verses then 
> in order to understand them one needs first to understand all 
> previous ones. Verses are all linked like an unbreakable chain and 
at 
> the same time each verse contains also all the rest. Amazing art 
of 
> writing, isn't it?. 
> 
> However, I'm not making comments at the moment for several 
reasons; 
> First; it would create intelectual distraction over the readers. 
> Second; Although I had this dharma directly transmitted during a 
long 
> retreat by Venerable Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. I feel no much 
> confidence yet on the subject. 
> 
> The Nature of Consciousness is a most fascinating subject to 
discuss 
> about in a dharma group. Of course providing that the ones who 
take 
> part in such a complex discussion are people with a real 
realizacion 
> within themselves of the subject discussed and not just vanity and 
> ego.
> 
> Thanks anyway for your interest.
> Mayka 
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@ ...> 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mayka,
> > 
> > Could you give us a commentary on what those verses mean to you? 
> Thanks.
> > 
> > Mike.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Mayka <flordeloto@ ...>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 13:02:22
> > Subject: [Zen] TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of 
Consciousness. 
> Part 4, Sense Consciousness
> > 
> > 
> > Part 4, Sense Consciousness
> > 
> > Twenty-Eight
> > 
> > Based on mind consciousness.
> > The five sense consciousness
> > separately or together with mind consciousness,
> > manifest like waves on water. 
> > 
> > Twenty-Nine
> > 
> > The field of perception is things in themselves.
> > Their mode of perception is direct.
> > Their nature can be wholesome, unwholesome or neutral.
> > They operate on the sense organs and the sensation center of the 
> > brain.
> > 
> > Thirty
> > 
> > They arise with the
> > universal, particular and wholesome,
> > the basic and secondary unwholesome,
> > and the indeterminate mental formations.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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