Hi Edgar, They've probably come to check out the 'new guy' they think they've never seen before..
----- Original Message ---- From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 9:24:58 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. Part 4, Sense Consciousness Mike, Nonsense! Are you a fish? Then why do my koi come over to me when I approach to feed them 24 hours later, or for that matter after an entire winter of no food. Don't underestimate the mind of a fish. Fish are sentient and have Buddha nature as do all beings, except apparently some of the humans on this group! :-) Edgar On Oct 15, 2008, at 7:24 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Chris, Fish only have a 3 second memory so he probably wouldn't remember why he was going to the market anyway. Most probably does his shopping via the internet. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 3:51:12 Subject: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. Part 4, Sense Consciousness How will the fish get to market? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote: > > Mike and Mark, > > Zen without Buddhism is like a fish without a bicycle...Bill! > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Perew > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. > Part 4, Sense Consciousness > > Mike - > > A toast to the things I cannot change! > > > > On 10/15/08, mike brown <uerusuboyo@ ...> wrote: > Hi Mayka, > > >My knowledge and insight about > >consciousness is rather limited. And therefore open to > >intelectualization and what is the worst speculation. Being aware of > >the harm that intelectualization and speculation can cause I'd rather > >keep quiet till real insight cames out. > > Well said. I really do enjoy reading the intellectual and metaphysical > postings here, but at the end of the day, that is all they really are - > headcandy for the intellect. That's why I guess I would call myself a Zen > Buddhist. The danger of trying to extract zen from Zen Buddhism can lead to > the charge that zen is nothing more than an "intellectual exercise" ala > JMJM. IMHO an understanding of 'emptiness' without following the Eight > Precepts won't lead to a self-transformation as deep as following them. I > don't remember who said it, but zen without Zen Buddhism is like an > alcoholic going to an AA meeting in the morning and a cocktail lounge in the > evening. > > Mike. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mayka <flordeloto@ ...> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 14:47:58 > Subject: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. Part > 4, Sense Consciousness > Hi Mike; > > Which of the verses would like a comment?. These last three or > previous ones?. If you're refering to these last three verses then > in order to understand them one needs first to understand all > previous ones. Verses are all linked like an unbreakable chain and at > the same time each verse contains also all the rest. Amazing art of > writing, isn't it?. > > However, I'm not making comments at the moment for several reasons; > First; it would create intelectual distraction over the readers. > Second; Although I had this dharma directly transmitted during a long > retreat by Venerable Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. I feel no much > confidence yet on the subject. > > The Nature of Consciousness is a most fascinating subject to discuss > about in a dharma group. Of course providing that the ones who take > part in such a complex discussion are people with a real realizacion > within themselves of the subject discussed and not just vanity and > ego. > > Thanks anyway for your interest. > Mayka > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi Mayka, > > > > Could you give us a commentary on what those verses mean to you? > Thanks. > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mayka <flordeloto@ ...> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 13:02:22 > > Subject: [Zen] TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. > Part 4, Sense Consciousness > > > > > > Part 4, Sense Consciousness > > > > Twenty-Eight > > > > Based on mind consciousness. > > The five sense consciousness > > separately or together with mind consciousness, > > manifest like waves on water. > > > > Twenty-Nine > > > > The field of perception is things in themselves. > > Their mode of perception is direct. > > Their nature can be wholesome, unwholesome or neutral. > > They operate on the sense organs and the sensation center of the > > brain. > > > > Thirty > > > > They arise with the > > universal, particular and wholesome, > > the basic and secondary unwholesome, > > and the indeterminate mental formations. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3522 (20081014) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset. com >