Anthony: You say talking about emotions:: "I am not saying zen discourages emotions, it treats them like a bystander viewing a movie". This is also what I used to think myself but during that long retreat guided by TNH in the Monastery of PV, he made clear that at the moment an emotion arise in us, we are that emotion. We don't see that emotion separated from us as we are not separated from the emotion. My personal Experience in the practice here: When I'm into the practice the way an emotion is treated is very different than when I go swept away by the samsara or forgetfullness. I call forgetfullness to everything that means not to be aware of. The difference between a zen practicioner and not a zen practicioner according only to my personal experience which not necesarily may agree with otherr practicioners experience is that I don't repress an emotion in any way. I let it be. I acknoledge its existance. I'm aware of its existence. I accept that emotion to be there. I don't view it as it was a nasty allien that I have to view as in a movie because I'm afraid of facing what is in me. I don't do that with any emotion the same if the emotion is pleasant or unpleasant. I just hold there in the awareness of the in and out breathing....This all of course when I'm diligent in the practice (which is not very often) Hope this helps over this discussion. You are not the only one who mistake the way of emotions are handled in zen. Mayka --- On Sat, 7/8/10, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 7 August, 2010, 1:22 Bill, It is premature and 'emotional' for you to disagree. If you don't 'hug' emotions, you are not harmed. Some not only hug them, they make love with them, here comes the harm. I am not saying zen discourages emotions, it treats them like a bystander viewing a movie. Doesn't this conform to your 'system'? Anthony --- On Fri, 6/8/10, billsm...@hhs1963. org <billsm...@hhs1963. org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963. org <billsm...@hhs1963. org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, 6 August, 2010, 6:49 PM Anthony, I disagree. What is the harm if you don’t ‘hug’ them (form an attachment to them)? Where have you heard, or what have you read that makes you think zen discourages emotions? …Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Zen_ fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:49 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka? Bill, I think zen views emotions arising just like watching a movie as a bystander. You don't hug them. Still, they are harmful. Otherwise, the zen way would be different. Anthony --- On Thu, 5/8/10, billsm...@hhs1963. org <billsm...@hhs1963. org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963. org <billsm...@hhs1963. org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, 5 August, 2010, 9:18 AM Anthony, I don’t know what Buddhism’s view is vis-à-vis emotions, but in my zen practice emotions arise all the time. I don’t try to ‘do away’ with them. I accept them. …Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Zen_ fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:35 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka? Mayka, I am very glad you came back. As regards the difference you talk about between Christianity and Buddhism, I agree to some extent. The former is more emotional, more intending to help, while the latter is trying to do away with emotions, which they think are harmful. Nevertheless, I think it is too premature for you to give up on TNH, who is a wonderful personality. Anthony --- On Thu, 5/8/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btintern et.com> wrote: From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btintern et.com> Subject: Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, 5 August, 2010, 12:13 AM Hi Mike, Anthony... and all of you. How very kind of you both to ask for me. Not often this happens to me in groups. Hardly ever anyone miss me!. . I've been away in Spain most of July. I have some access to internet but not much and when I did this mail used mainly in groups wasn't available. Besides I wasn't feeling much talkative. I had to renounce to the TNH retreat in the UK because I have some special needs and can travel alone right now...The hardest part here was to finding out once again that the only benefit I get from my sangha is the sitting down together and that once that is finished is better to thanks for the sitting in company and walk away from them as far as possible. By the way and whatever you all say, the Christian Communities do care a lot of more for the vulnerable but the new western buddhist and alike, don't give a dam!. They may be all in maxim red alert urgent need of oxygeno for themselves!. Thank you Mayka --- On Sun, 1/8/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo. com.sg> wrote: From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo. com.sg> Subject: Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, 1 August, 2010, 23:01 Mike, Zen is everyday life, so it is a project, a hobby and everything you can think about. Yes, I miss Mayka too. Anthony --- On Sun, 1/8/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo. co.uk> wrote: From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo. co.uk> Subject: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, 1 August, 2010, 9:48 AM Mayka, I haven't been posting recently (most of the topics are a bit too naff for me - makes Zen sound like a hobby or some kind of a project). Anyway, haven't seen you post for a while and I know you have health issues in your family. Everything ok? 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