I have been doing basically as you describe. It was fine with 10 minutes, but 
making the move from 10 to 20 or 30 was very hard. 

I had stopped doing the counting, should I maybe get back to it?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> 
>  
> 
> I don't know if the feeling of boredom will pass for you.  It did for all
> people I know of that sit.  Of course maybe it didn't for those that tried
> sitting but quit.
> 
>  
> 
> How are you sitting?  I suggest you find a competent teacher to instruct
> you.  Second best is find an instructional book or website.  There's are
> many good sites on the web, or check out JMJM's site.  He's a frequent
> poster on the Zen Forum and will probably respond to this.
> 
>  
> 
> If all else fails, follow these instructions:
> 
>  
> 
> 1.        Sit in a comfortable position.  It should be a position in which
> the back is upright but not supported, and that opens up your hips so that
> you can breathe well.  Full-lotus is preferable.  Half-lotus or cross-legged
> is okay.  Kneeling is okay.  Sitting upright on the front of a
> straight-backed chair is okay too.
> 
> 2.       When you first get into the position close your eyes and sway from
> your hips like an inverted pendulum, first back and forth and then side to
> side.  Slowly decrease the angle of your swaying until you are upright.
> This will help you find an upright position that puts the least amount of
> strain on your back and legs.
> 
> 3.       Fold your hands one inside the other and rest them on your legs.
> 
> 4.       Open your eyes, lower your gaze to a point about 3 or 4 ft in front
> of you.  If you're facing a wall pick a point low on the wall as if you were
> gazing about 3 or 4 ft in front of you.  A solid-colored wall is best.
> White or cream-colored is best.  De-focus your eyes.
> 
> 5.       Take a deep inhale and exhale slowly.  Do this 3 times.  Your
> breathing should be 'belly breathing' - your belly should be going out and
> in with the breathes.  It should NOT be 'chest breathing' - where your
> shoulders go up and down with the breathes.  These should not be so deep as
> to strain you, but as deep as is comfortable.
> 
> 6.       Take a deep inhale and then count '1' (in your mind) while exhaling
> slowly.
> 
> 7.       Count '2' while inhaling slowly.
> 
> 8.       Repeat until you've reached '10', and then start over.
> 
> 9.       If you lose count, or find your mind wandering, or find you're on a
> number greater than 10, start over.
> 
> 10.   Count your exhales and inhales like this until you can do it
> consistently without losing count.
> 
> 11.   Then change and count '1' on your exhale/inhale cycle, '2' on your
> next exhale/inhale cycle.  Do this until you can do it well.
> 
> 12.   Then change and drop the counting, and only 'follow the breathes',
> just direct your attention to following the breath as you exhale and inhale.
> Do this until you can do it well.
> 
> 13.   Then drop the 'following' the breathe and 'just sit'.  This is shikan
> taza (clear mind).  This is zazen.
> 
>  
> 
> I'd suggest you only sit as long as you feel comfortable.  If that's 10
> minutes, then that's okay.  Just sit 10 minutes at a time.  Sit this way for
> a couple days or a week and then jump it up to 15 minutes, then 20.  I don't
> think you ever need to go more than 20 minutes at home, but most zen centers
> sit at least 30 minute or even 40 minute periods.
> 
>  
> 
> Hope this helps.Bill!
> 
>  
> 
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of DP
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:52 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Zen] Having trouble getting back into zazen
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> I've tried to do the half-hour sitting in a chair, but I find myself getting
> bored after 10 minutes. Will this pass? Will I be able to do longer in the
> future if I keep it up?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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