Anthony,

If your are Just Sitting you are not counting or following your breath.  Then 
you are Counting Breath or Following Breath.

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
> Old story. It is just the other way around. Shikan=just; taza=sitting. It is 
> a technique to help you count and follow the breath. 
> 
> Shikantaza is very colloquial in Chinese. It can be heard in conversation of 
> schoolboys. The Japanese borrowed the word and made it an addition to their 
> native language, just as you borrow Latin words. So they added other concepts 
> to shikantaza. I can also add a concept of daydreaming to shikantaza.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> --- On Thu, 13/1/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> Subject: [Zen] Re: So what should I do?
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 13 January, 2011, 7:07 PM
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>       Ed,
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> Yes.  Counting or following the breath is not shikantaza.  These are 
> techniques that are sometimes used to get you to shikantaza.
> 
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> ...Bill!
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> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
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> > Bill -
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> > Counting breaths is not Shikantaza.  Yes?
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> > Following the breath without counting is not Shikantaza.   Yes?
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> > Thanks,
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> > - ED
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> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
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> > > Sit. Sit zazen, which for me implies shikantaza - clear mind.
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