JMJM, You say: the Chan that I practice, may not be the Chan other Chinese lineage practice. That is closer to the truth. You had better call what you practice 'Heart Chan', so that there is no confusion, as 'Chan' in Chinese is a synonym of jhana or dhyana, that has a wide range of meanings. Anthony
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 25 January, 2011, 2:24 PM Hi Deborah, Thank you for the question. I don't know Zen Buddhism enough to compare in detail. In words, I seem to sense that Chan and Zen are rather similar. The difference I noticed could be in the practice, such as some of the following: Chan sit with eyes fully closed. Zen with half open. Chan does not do walking. There is walking Zen. Chan sit 45 to 60 minutes. Zen seems to be around 30 minutes. Chan sit with tongue curled. There is no such mention in Zen. Chan sit flat on floor. Zen uses cushions. Chan demand a minimum of half lotus. Not sure about Zen. Chan sit to focus on 10 chakras and 3 chi channels. Not sure about Zen. Chan emphasizes enlightenment in this life time. Not sure about Zen. On the other hand, the Chan that I practice, may not be the Chan other Chinese lineage practice. Yet I would emphasize, that everyone of us, who is practicing, is a blessed one, no matter which path we are on. Yet, the path that we are on are driven by our own karma. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 1/24/2011 7:59 PM, Deborah Mingins wrote: JMJM- can you tell us how Chan Buddhism and Zen Buddhism are different.....thanks....Deborah [email protected] From: Deborah Mingins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 3:58:42 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? To JMJM- You say that true practice begins after awakening. What is this true practice in Chan ie not Chan Buddhism [email protected] From: Brett Corbin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:41:00 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? I like some of the statements in this post. For me, I believe the truth is inside us all. I feel the reason so many miss the truth is due to the following of others interpretation of the truth rather then finding the truth within them selves. I hear a lot of people saying, my teacher said this, and my teacher said that, or a book said this or that, or Buddha said this or Jesus said that. I believe that is why there is so much division in religions and belief systems. I feel if people listened to the truth that is already in them, and not so much to teaching of so called, enlighten ones, there would be why more unity in this world. Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:57 PM Hello Anthony, My Teacher, enlightened Chan Master WuJue MiaoTian is the 85th Patriarch since Shakyamuni, 58th since BodhiDharma and 48th of LinJie. I am the Head Teacher of the 86th generations. Are these titles meaningful? Absolutely not. Awakening got to arise from inside of us and not from words I posted. All we have to do is to shut up, sit down and stop thinking. My Teacher is enlightened to the same universal truth, which Shakyamuni is enlightened to, which he also teaches all of us to be enlightened to. In China, we call that Chan. Chan has been in China far longer than Shakymuni. It was so without organization or structure. In other words, all of us can be enlightened to the same universal truth of Chan, with or without a journey through Buddhism. Bill's Zen is a very clear path to the same truth, as he has continuously to state so. We all can, as long as we sit down, shut up and stop thinking. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/ http://www.heartchan.org/ On 1/23/2011 3:41 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: JM, Is your teacher higher than Sakyamuni? At least one 'person' claims so. Mr Li Hongzhi, leader of Falun Gong, is now in the USA. He may knock on your door any moment, and teach you something better than Chan/ Anthony --- On Sun, 23/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Sunday, 23 January, 2011, 9:03 AM Good Day To All, My Teacher would say, "the Order of Chan is Buddhist, but the witness of Chan is not." Chan is just a nickname for the entire universe, including the visible and the invisible, the energy and its form, the perpetual and the transient, the big and the small, as well as all of its nature. It is always in a state of dynamic balance, always evolving, as well as integrating. Shakyamuni, Confucious, Lao Tze and many other sages all witnessed the truth of the universe, or Chan, and began their teaching. All schools of teaching are about the same truth, because all are part of universe and contains the same nature of the universe. This is also the nature of man and of all beings big and small. Awaken to the universal truth is just the beginning. My Teacher often remind us, "True practice begins after awakening." We practice to be totally, completely, wholesomely, physically, mentally and spiritually one with the entire universe, without exception, preference or selection. Such that we could live in sync with our original abilities to harmonize, to balance, to evolve and to integrate. This is what I was taught and have witnessed. Thank you for your time. JMJM -- Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/ http://www.heartchan.org/
