Kristy and Mayka and all participants, I just got up and logged in (it's 7AM Sat morning in Thailand) and am just beginning to read these posts.
I might be too late, but let's all just STOP posting anything on rape. And please don't make any judgements of other people's motives. Just STOP! Let's start discussing a more traditional zen-related topic. Thanks...Bill! --- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > All comments from Maria Lopez' address /s are auto-fwd to my attorneys > now. She continues to comment though I have requested formally that no > further comments are made public. >  > Bill.. This is serious.  I have put up with enough from her. I will file > charges. >  > Kristy > > > --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 4:08 AM > > >  > > > > > > > > >  Kristy : >  > Please calm down. Please notice that posting was a conversation between > Bill and myself. I don't understand what I may have said to bring in you > such a reaction. >  > Mayka > > > --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > > From: Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 11:00 > > >  > > > > > > > Bill, >  > I want her comments stopped now-- as a moderator. I am fwd them to yahoo, and > my attorneys. >  > There is a limit.. I appreciate your position. >  > Contact me privately. >  > Thanks. >  > Kristy > > > --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 3:49 AM > > >  > > > > > > > Krsity: > Could you kindly illustrate me what are you talking about?. > Thanks > Mayka > > --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > > From: Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 10:39 > > >  > > > > > > > Mayka, >  > I was raped. I think you have some work to do on >  empathy yourself. If you want to help your sister.. help yourself > first. >  > I care about you-- but I admit--you make it difficult sometimes.. >  > Kristy (Before you have a impulse for a defensive reply--hit delete). > > > --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 3:18 AM > > >  > > > > > > > Bill; >  > I suppose you or anyone can't give views about an event thas not taken place > in one life. Only the ones and closed to the ones who were victims can > share that kind of experience and how they reacted in front of it. >  > Just for the seek of mental exercise: >  > 1 - Visualice yourself being raped and everything that happens in you. Just > acknowledge them. Your reaction ect. Give a description of them. >  > 2 - What is the first thing that comes to your mind if any of the > closest ones to you from your family were raped?. What is the next > thing?. Give a description of your mind reaction.  Visualice that and > acknowledge what you're experiencing. This might have been a more revealing > way of seeing what there is really in one in a situation like that. >  > Mayka > > --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 9:47 > > >  > > Mayka, > > My remarks were a swipe at religions in general, but specifically > Christianity who on one hand preach forgiveness (New Testament) and on the > other hand demand retribution (Old Testament). > > I'll gladly give you my views but this thread has become so unraveled I'm not > sure just exactly on what you want my views. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > Bill: > > àoh yeah, and cut off their penis while you're at it'. > > > > Mayka: What does your comment above means?.àDid you mean as an act or > > revenge, judgemental...or what?.àIf the comment comes because of the > > idea of castrating a rapist...I stick to it.àThough not as passionately > > as yesterday, yes there will be need to study well the case.àAll > > measures are relative nonetheless castration is the only one I can think of > > for the safety of women. What are your views here? > > à> > Maykaà> > > > --- On Thu, 24/2/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, 24 February, 2011, 5:34 > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > ED, > > > > I couldn't answer for all who have experienced satori. They would all have > > their own answers, and some perhaps no answer. Experiencing satori > > (realization of Buddha Mind) does not automatically give everyone the same > > values. That's the job of a religion. Religions built up around someone's > > satori experience (like Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and probably > > Islam)do tend to unify and then codify values. They would certainly have > > something to say about this - like 'forgive them - oh yeah, and cut off > > their penis while you're at it'. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve and Bill, what might a woman/man who had realized kensho-satori > > > have to say about punishment for rape? > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The best to slow down the high rate of raping in the world is to take > > > the justice in one hands and cut the sexual organs of the rapist so that > > > no more women are raped by the same rapist.. Raping is one of those > > > things that makes really furious to all women in the world. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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