Chris.. Sorry for the mis-spelling. Huber is correct... k
--- In [email protected], "Healthyplay1" <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > I haven't followed the postings recently, but as I was looking over the > thread topics, I saw your comment here, and have a quick question.. > > Being in No. Cal, have you attended any classes /retreats or such with Cheryl > Hubert? I think her center is near Murphys-- ( Mountain View Zen Center), > but she has been at Spirit Rock and other centers in the Santa Cruz area. > > As I honor much of your practice style, I'm curious--in light of your > statements here-- how you would respond to her belief that your life is what > you give your attention to, and how to work constructively and > compassionately with what Cheri calls "the negative voices in the head". > > I-- of course, do believe in actively engaging in compassionate service and > actions. For me, zen is a means--not an end. But I will be teaching with her > & others next fall, on how mindful practices influence depression and suicide. > > Just interested in your thoughts. > > Thanks...k > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 8, 2011, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > My apologys if I've got my wires crossed. I thought your original post > > > was referring to compassion when you said that, "sit, allow your > > > body/mind to stop twisting itself up, see that we are all one, all > > > changing, and fundamentally ok, and allow that belief to soak into you > > > body so that your body/mind components are confident and able to see when > > > action is appropriate", then perhaps that is more acceptable. > > > > That paragraph was in contrast to the one above it, a straw man > > statement "just get enlightened and all the worlds problems > > disappear." > > > > That paragraphis my attempt at the marketing of no-marketing. > > > > > > And also: > > > > > >>Many Zen groups do sponsor outward facing activity; many more individuals > > >>who undertake training also perform actions of benefit to others; > > >>>however the zen model is to make no more fuss about that than a hand > > >>adjusting the pillow for the head; of course that's what the hand does, > > >>no big >deal. > > > > > > I took the above as talking about compassionate 'action' and my point was > > > referring to how that action was performed - by thought or 'thoughtless' > > > intuition. The point about Red Cross parcels being sent to orphans wasn't > > > really being addressed to what you said, but rather that compassion > > > arises in every action of the awakened rather than just the obvious ones > > > (which anyone can do - even cynically). > > > > Yes, that paragraph was responding to ED's saying that his local zen > > center visits the imprisoned. > > > > As for how the action is performed, action is action, how can it be > > performed by thought? > > > > I rather find this dogged desire to split things into thought filled > > vs intuitive to be tedious. People do what they can. Certainly > > blindness to my own beliefs and my own nature makes it easier to piss > > off my neighbors when I thought i was being helpful, but to postpone > > responding to the people around you until you climb some mountain of > > enlightenment seems like another form of placing an idea above your > > actual life. Acting as we can as we are, with that little openness to > > the chance that we may be missing something quite important, is > > something we can do right now. > > > > Note: by my own nature, I do not mean no-self, I mean the stuff that > > all my friends and acquaintances well know about me which I do not > > like to see at all. > > > > Cheers, > > > > --Chris > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Tue, 8 March, 2011 23:17:13 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just clear. My original post wasn't about sending food to the > > > hungry orphans, I am not sure where you got that; or compassion either. > > > --Chris > > > > > > On Mar 8, 2011 3:38 AM, "mike brown" <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > >>At the time, in the moment, it is clear. > > > > > > Do you mean it is consciously clear (as in an active judgement) > > > or intuitively clear, without thought? For me, I still see compassion > > > arising from any > > > action performed in the awakened 'state'- sending Red Cross parcels to > > > children in Eithiopia is beside the point. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> > > > > > > To: Zen_Forum@: Tue, 8 March, 2011 13:54:13 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Two Potent Quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the time, in the moment, it is clear. 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