Chris, >but one claims to have achieved mystic union pre Zen and the other is climbing >a >mountain range?
I think you'll find they're both mine. Steve fell off the tree as a ripened piece of fruit. Mike ________________________________ From: ChrisAustinLane <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 17:48:42 Subject: Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes No trouble. It is much harder to keep track of individuals on list servs than in real life. I am actually never sure of the difference between you and Steve. You both like martial arts and the idea of no-self, but one claims to have achieved mystic union pre Zen and the other is climbing a mountain range? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 8, 2011, at 21:28, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: Chris, > >Fair enough, I see what you're driving at. I created my own confusion by >trying >to juggle to posts (from you and ED) at the same time, but now I can see they >were quite different animals (my point to ED was about compassion and >compassionate action just arising, and doesn't have to such a well thought out >process behind it re the Red Cross parcel bit). My bad. > >Mike > > > > ________________________________ From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Cc: mike brown <[email protected]> >Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 10:46:39 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes > > > > > >On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:20 AM, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>Well, of course an action can't be performed by thought (Uri Geller proved >>that >>point), but it >> usually has its genesis in that thought, and the thought process continues >>making >> observations and judgements during and after the particular action. > > >I don't think that's really true. I think people may retroactively make up >some >story about this or that thought leading to some action, but generally the >action arises. And judgements are totally separate, really if you believe the >judgment, it is a separate action. > > >I certainly empathise with the 'everyday lifeness' (I think that's a new >phrase) >sentiment of your point, but I find the opposite to be true. When I >equivocate or second guess myself in a situation where an immediate response >would be preferrable, I usually end up making a mess, or regreting, a >situation >that might have been better dealt with spontaneously and intuitively. This is >not to suggest, however, that some decisions shouldn't be made thru careful >consideration of the facts, it's just that we often do this quite needlessly. > >Whoa! I'm sure I never wrote about equivocate, second guessing, or avoiding >the >spontaneous action (personally, I find "intuitive" to be a word tightly linked >to thoughts - a flash of intuitive insight is something I stake my >professional >life on, and it is always a thought, never an action. Careful consideration >of >the facts? Eh, sometimes I guess. Certainly not in the example I used of >catching an ice cream scoop as it falls to the floor. I suppose when you are >trying to decide on what house to buy with your spouse, some planning activity >is useful, but I try not to get carried away with it or too attached. > > >--Chris > > > > >
