<g> Ya convinced me. I've had a 20/7 week. My perception is open to interpretation. It was just a thought. Take care.. Headed to bed now. Therein may lie the wisdpm of the ages.. k ;)
i bow to the wise " --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > We know that the Earth revolves around the Sun, but we still act and > manage our > day, as though the sun raises in the east and descends in the west. Actions > may > well precede thoughts (a good argument for supporting that we are > already inherently enlightened?), but we still need to be aware of those > thoughts that seem to precede action. > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Healthyplay1 <healthyplay1@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 13:09:25 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes > >  > > Um... so does forensics psychology. So-- its as simple as an unconscious wish > --"manifests"? > > > Sorry to interrupt. .. > > Hi Chris and Mike. It may interest you to look at the classic > neurological experiments of Dr. Benjamin Libet. They have been > replicated many times. They seem to conclusively show that > action precedes conscious awareness of intending to act. > Steve > > --- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:20 AM, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > >Well, of course an action can't be performed by thought (Uri Geller > > > >proved > > > that point), but it > > > > usually has its genesis in that thought, and the thought process > > > > continues > > > making > > > > observations and judgements during and after the particular action. > > > > > > I don't think that's really true. I think people may retroactively make up > > > some story about this or that thought leading to some action, but > > > generally > > > the action arises. And judgements are totally separate, really if you > > > believe the judgment, it is a separate action. > > > > > > I certainly empathise with the 'everyday lifeness' (I think that's a new > > > > phrase) sentiment of your point, but I find the opposite to be true. > > > > When > I > > > > equivocate or second guess myself in a situation where an immediate > >response > > > > would be preferrable, I usually end up making a mess, or regreting, a > > > > situation that might have been better dealt with spontaneously and > > > > intuitively. This is not to suggest, however, that some decisions > shouldn't > > > > be made thru careful consideration of the facts, it's just that we > > > > often > do > > > > this quite needlessly. > > > > > > > > > Whoa! I'm sure I never wrote about equivocate, second guessing, or > > > avoiding > > > the spontaneous action (personally, I find "intuitive" to be a word > > > tightly > > > linked to thoughts - a flash of intuitive insight is something I stake my > > > professional life on, and it is always a thought, never an action. Careful > > > consideration of the facts? Eh, sometimes I guess. Certainly not in the > > > example I used of catching an ice cream scoop as it falls to the floor. I > > > suppose when you are trying to decide on what house to buy with your > > > spouse, > > > some planning activity is useful, but I try not to get carried away with > > > it > > > or too attached. > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > Hi Chris and Mike. It may interest you to look at the classic > > neurological experiments of Dr. Benjamin Libet. They have been > > replicated many times. They seem to conclusively show that > > action precedes conscious awareness of intending to act. > > Steve > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
