ED, Despite what you say below, the electro-resistance instruments are widely used in hospitals in China to detect the routes of the flow of qi and combined with acupuncture to cure diseases. It has been there for years. Patients have no doubts about the healing effects. The flow of qi can be felt when you practise qigong. It can even be transmitted from a qigong master to you. The problem with the western medicine is that in the routes of qi-flow, the anatomy has found not at all difference in cell or other structures. Based on that, western medical workers deny the existance of qi, notwithstanding the practical effects. By the same token, you can also deny zen. Bill would be happy to be released of his duties. Anthony
--- On Mon, 14/3/11, ED <[email protected]> wrote: From: ED <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Five Poisons II To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 14 March, 2011, 7:25 AM "Scientific investigation There have been a number of studies of qi, especially in the sense used by traditional Chinese medicine and acupuncture. These studies have often been problematic, and are hard to compare to each other, as they lack a common nomenclature. Some studies claim to have been able to measure qi, or the effects of manipulating qi, such as through acupuncture, but the proposed existence of qi has been rejected by the scientific community. A United States National Institutes of Health consensus statement on acupuncture in 1997 noted that concepts such as qi "are difficult to reconcile with contemporary biomedical information" In 2007 the MD Anderson Cancer Center at the University of Texas published an article covering the concepts by which qi is believed to work and research into possible benefits for cancer patients. A review of clinical trials investigating the use of internal qigong for pain management found no convincing evidence that it was effective." --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > JMJM, > > Excuse me for butting in after some pause. > > I agree with you that 'chi' is not an illusion. The routes of chi flowing in > the human body can be tracked by modern science, using electro-resistance > method. Chi can also be felt by long practicing. It cannot 'take care of > itself'. > > On the other hand, I find it hard to agree with your statement that 'mind' is > the false self, while 'heart', including feelings, sensations and awareness, > is the true self. Feelings etc are part of the emotions, which are sometimes > harmful. They are not scientifically associated with the heart. The > misunderstanding dates back to Kumarajiwa more than a thousand years ago. > When he translated 'citta', he found no better word in Chinese than the the > character 'xin', for heart. In much later dates, the English language took > 'mind' to represent 'citta'. So don't be mistaken, both 'heart' (except for > the physical organ) and 'mind' are the same. I wonder how year teacher say in > reference to the word 'mind'. > > Anthony
