Good morning Mark,
I thank you for response. Now we have something to talk about.
Otherwise, it can be boring just talking to myself. Since Harvey Sensei
did say in one of his posts that sometimes our words could be like
blades, I shall try to be a little more blunt, I hope you don't mind.
Because we are getting into the nitty gritty area, where we are
discussing the invisible while any delicate tiny imbalance will throw us
off course by a mile.
"Hair width difference is like heaven and earth apart..." XinXinMing...
* All I am doing is to trying to stir up some wave, (blade:wake up),
because all words are illusory in the first place, including
mine. Any agreement or disagreement is caused by our attachment
to a particular way of living or believe or practice. Some are
easier to communicate because the words are familiar. Some are
difficult because the experiences are different. Chan is in
essence a spiritual practice. Therefore instead of agree or
disagree, just practice with our heart open and cultivate our
awareness to be connected with everything. As you said, we don't
do enough. But not enough in which direction? :-)
* True as you stated, in the practice, words or vibration of our
conscious mind, hinders our connection to the present moment.
Before we dig a little deeper into "present moment", l need to
redefine two words, which are, IMO, critical in communicating our
practice and witnesses.
o "Mind" means all mental work, all logic, all dharma, all
thinking, all analytic process. We also call this "false
self", or consciousness.
o "Heart" means feelings, sensations, awareness, spirit, soul,
or "true self".
o Though they serve two different function but they affect
each other.
* Indeed as you say, the key in Chan is to focus on, in, at, with
the present moment. If we dig a little deeper, checking with the
sutra, where Buddha has recorded his journey, we may need to
investigate "to what" and "with what"?
* Do we focus on the "form", or the "formless"? Based on the sutra,
it is the formlessness we need to focus on. Then what is that?
Our teaching and witness explains that it is the chi, the energy,
the spirit, the connection to the wisdom of the moment with our
"heart" without any tiny, microscopic vibration from our "mind".
In short, focus on the heart of the universe and not its
manifestations.
* After 2,500 years, there are too many versions of Buddha's
teaching. Therefore in our school, we use primarily the Heart
Sutra and the Diamond Sutra. Both Buddhist in terminology.
* Words I used, such as "realm, Bodhisatva" are just words. These
are however actually spiritual state we can witness. Eileen
called them "deeper", we call them "higher", they are still words
or emptiness. Yet we have witnessed that all descriptions in the
sutra can be experienced and witnessed. The key is in the practice.
* I often wish that we have other words to use, which are more
familiar with others. Yet at the end, it is still our mind making
the final judgment. This is the sadness of our delusional mind.
A side note, Order of Chan historically is also called the Order of
Buddha Heart. Transmission is heart to heart transmission and not a
transmission of words or teaching or understanding. (No different from
the water crystal experiment done by Dr. Emoto.)
When we are in sync, we are able to accept all manifestations as is and
clearly "connecting to" the "cause/wisdom/truth/dharma" of that
particular moment.
Again, thank you Mark for your feedback. Now I am granted with this
opportunity to share. I am grateful.
JMJM
Head Teacher
Order Of Chan
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 3/12/2011 8:39 AM, Mark Perew wrote:
JMJM -
I shall be honest that I find no value in your posts about Chan. I'm
with Bill in my approach and view of zen. All the schools and
theories just get in the way of sitting and experiencing what is. The
more explanations we try to provide, the more we separate ourselves
from just being fully present.
Does it really matter if there are 10 levels or 2 or a million? Maybe
the idea that levels exist is just more illusion. And, yes, I suspect
that karma and chi are only illusions.
My suspicion is that even if karma and chi were real, that even
looking at them is counterproductive. If I focus on being fully
present in the here and now, accepting the deep interconnectedness of
all things, and acting with compassion to all beings then my chi and
karma would take care of themselves.
Of course, since chi and karma are just illusions I can skip them
entirely and just move on to being fully present in the here and now,
accepting the deep interconnectedness of all things, and acting with
compassion. Win!
What I would be delighted to read from everyone is your personal
experiences with zen. What happens for you when you sit, walk,
interact in a mindful way? What brings you, personally, directly,
immediately closer to being fully present in the here and now?
We don't do enough of that.
2011/3/12 Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Hello Maria and Eileen,
Thank you for your feedback. Because these terminology is not in
the "usual" zen dictionary. I needed to know whether I should
continue on this path, though Chan uses primarily Tao in practice
and Buddhism in describing spirituality.
Buddha taught for 49 years. And his teachings probably contains
the most material describing various states of spirituality. I
sense probably it is time to talk a little about spirituality.
If you like, I will post more.
Thank you for your time,
JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 3/12/2011 1:06 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
JMJM;
I learnt from the recent discussion you had with ED. This other
kind of posting doesn't appeal much to me as it sounds a kind of
catethism and this is why I don't usually answer to it. However,
It's nice of you to send it as it's always refreshing to read you.
Thank you for the effort and time spent on them
Mayka
--- On *Fri, 11/3/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [Zen Living] Five Poisons II
To: [email protected]
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Date: Friday, 11 March, 2011, 23:12
Dear All,
Since my last post, there was not any response. I assumed
that my last post was not clear or foreign in terminology.
Please allow me to elaborate.
There are ten realms according to Buddhism. The Human realm
is the fifth from the top. The Bodhisatva realm is the
second only to Buddha.
Bodhisatva realm is pure heart, which is pure compassion,
pure wisdom and pure joy and above all karma.
Human realm is thinking in human terms, act in human ways
with some self-interest and trapped in forms.
When our spirit is in the Bodhisatva realm, our heart is
filled with wisdom, compassion and joy. We live based on the
wisdom of the moment with harmonious intentions, because in
this realm, our heart is one with the other without separation.
As soon as we begin to think, to analyze, to judge, our
spirit drops right back down to human realm, we think, act
with limited human knowledge/experience and self interest.
We are then trapped in form. Sutra labels this state of
being as reincarnation, for it is an endless chase of relativity.
When our spirit is in the realm of Bodhisatva, we are not
affect by all the forms. We are able to penetrate to the
veil of self defense. We are able to be connected to the
invisible wisdom of the moment to harmonize the situation.
Buddhist say to resolve all karma.
This is way I was taught, practice and witness the way to rid
of the Five Poisons.
Just for your reference. Thank you for your attention.
JMJM
Head Teacher
Order of Chan
--
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/>
