Hi Mayka, Thanks for the link!
Siska -----Original Message----- From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:13:54 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen Hi Siska: I can't make comments as never heard before this Author. Pasting to you and all an interview with the Author Bernadette Roberts. Fascinating. Thanks a lot to make us know about such an interesting person. http://lightgate.net/boards/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=1019&t=180&sid=16cf15a5378657d6a1ca231e31e4bdaa Mayka --- On Fri, 25/3/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 25 March, 2011, 13:01 Hi Bill, > I've never heard of any Christian meditation that was similar to shikantaza > (clear mind) meditation There is a book called 'The Experience of No-Self' by Bernadette Roberts, who was a Catholic nun. Her descriptions seem to be rather similar to shikantaza to me although I have no idea of her meditation method since I only read the book's excerpt. Wonder if you or anyone here have read the book and I'd be interested to know your opinion. Siska From: "Bill!" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:47:58 -0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen JMJM, This is not what I thought you meant, although I still might interested in this activity also. What kind of meditation are you intending to teach/recommend? Christianity already has lots of meditative practices. An example is the Catholic ritual of praying using Rosary Beads. This involves reciting the Apostle's Creed at the crucifix, an 'Our Father' at the first large bead, three 'Hail Marys' on the next three beads, then a 'Glory be to the Father' on the next large bead, and then proceeds with the cyclic repetition of 'Hail Marys' and 'Our Fathers'. The constant repetition of all these short prayers soon become similar to chanting mantras or working on a breakthrough koan and can result in the cessation of the descriminating mind. I've never heard of any Christian meditation that was similar to shikantaza (clear mind) meditation; or that emphasize breathing or recommend specfic postures. Have you? Some Christian sects also have fasting, bowing or self-flaggelation techniques that could lead to a clear-mind state. Is it your intention to teach them Chan/zen meditation or to encourage them to practice their native-Christian meditative practices? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Excellent, Bill.. Now here is my preliminary plan.. > > We will launch Adword in April with keywords such as depression, stress, > insomnia, etc. to get people to learn meditation. At the same time, we > will be starting a movement on Facebook titled, "Meditate First" = > "whether you are Chrisitan, Buddhist, Muslin, Jew, rich or poor, before > you act, talk, think, Meditate First." Sort of... > > Both of these will aggregate witnesses in health and spirituality, just > from opposite ends. Therefore, there will be one web area, be it > tumblr, or facebook page, or part of meditatefirst.org, where witnesses > are posted. > > Both chan-meditation.org(from what are the benefits) and > meditatefirst.org (to connect deeper to Christ) will link to this place. > > The idea is not to compare zen/Chan with Christianity, or teach > Christians about zen/Chan, but get Christians to Meditate First. They > will automatically deepen their faith or read Bible differently. > Therefore, in these articles, there will be no need to mention Zen or > Chan, just how to meditate to be closer to God. > > Please let me know your thoughts. If you can think of an outline, I can > setup anything in one week -- joomla 1.5 or just Tumblr. Then you can > enter the content. I would not have time to read anything. I have a > lot to do. > > * Our Family Oneness program is successful into libraries. > * Corporate Oneness programs is piloted into corporations. > * Personal oneness program to hit the US through Adword. > * A 200 people Chan Center is in the process being located. > * 10 classes a week to support. > > Let us do something. Everyone is welcome. > > BTW, Not sure I mentioned this before, my Teacher and another well known > Teacher both mentioned about one month ago, we MUST get more people to > meditate to quiet the karmic events arriving soon. > > No wonder I have sensing urgency for awhile. Just do what we can. > Together. > > Many Thanks. A bow to ALL. > JM > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > > On 3/24/2011 5:36 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > JMJM, > > > > I would be interested in participating in this. I was brought up as a > > Christian and have gone through a lot of Bible study. I agree > > wholeheartedly with your premise. > > > > If you haven't already read it, I'd suggest you find a copy of a small > > book called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN. It's theme is the same as the > > one you've described. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > Good Morning Steve and anyone who is interested to help, > > > > > > I wanted to incorporate a zen way to deepen the "Christian faith" on > > our > > > websites, but I don't know the Bible enough. > > > > > > The intent is... > > > > > > * To show that Chan/zen and christian faith are one of the same. > > > * Enabling the reading of the bible in a different light. > > > * Deepen our connection with God. > > > > > > It could be a page or two, or an entire website, (if you have the time > > > to write the content and the newsletter). I can set it up. > > > > > > This will be interlinked with http://www.chan-meditation.org. It is now > > > top ranked in google, bing, yahoo with keyword -- chan meditation. (no > > > quotation mark). > > > > > > Also because we will be promoting Chan meditation beginning in > > April/May > > > with online Adword. > > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > JM > > > > > > -- > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > > > > >
