Mayka, >Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as it >is.
Taken to the ultimate conclusion being that we don't need *any* of the precepts in mind to "experience reality as it is". Mike ________________________________ From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 4:52:54 Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as it is. At the same time Steve also has a point. Living philosophies may embrace in compassion the whole universe. Mayka --- On Wed, 30/3/11, SteveW <[email protected]> wrote: >From: SteveW <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse >To: [email protected] >Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 17:52 > > > > > >--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: >> >> Steve, >> >> I fundamentally disagree. >> >> Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other religions I >> know >>about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including Buddhism, just >>layers that have been built up around zen and serve to occlude the essense of >>zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has the least occluding >>layers >>of the religions I have read about, but it still has a lot. >> >> ...Bill! >> >Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of >religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together in a >shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the >view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight into >Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective vehicles for >encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of the Big >Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical movements that >are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they have always been >regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland Buddhist realizes >that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go to Buddhist Heaven >where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they still understand >that >ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And so, as you yourself note, >Buddhism has the least occluding layers. The average Christian would not >regard >Meister Eckhart as being a real Christian. >Steve > >
