Mike, Since you mentioned TNH's 'rewriting' of the precepts I immediately noticed he rewrote them as personal positive rules: 'I will do this...', instead of the usual 3rd-party negative rules: 'Don't do this'.
This is similar to the change from the Christian Old Testament's 10 Precepts: 'Thou shalt not...' to the New Testament's central teaching: 'Love one another'. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > Exactly how I think of them. Useful in the beginning (hence the rewritting > of > them by TNH), but there comes a time when the precepts jump off the book and > are > simply lived quite naturally > > Mike  > > > ________________________________ > implyFrom: ChrisAustinLane <chris@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 6:52:43 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >  > Certainly precepts do no good in the mind. Only when they are our flesh and > bones are they precepts. > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 14:21, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > > Mayka, > > > >>Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience > >>reality as it > >>is.   > > > >Taken to the ultimate conclusion being that we don't need *any* of the > >precepts > >in mind to "experience reality as it is". > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 4:52:54 > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > > > > >Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience > >reality as it > >is.   > > > >At the same time Steve also has a point. Living philosophies may embrace > >in > >compassion the whole universe. > > > > > >Mayka > > > >--- On Wed, 30/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@...> wrote: > > > > > >>From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@...> > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > >>To: [email protected] > >>Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 17:52 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Steve, > >>> > >>> I fundamentally disagree. > >>> > >>> Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other religions > >>> I know > >>>about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including Buddhism, > >>>just > >>>layers that have been built up around zen and serve to occlude the essense > >>>of > >>>zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has the least occluding > >>>layers > >>>of the religions I have read about, but it still has a lot. > >>> > >>> ...Bill! > >>> > >>Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of > >>religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together > >>in a > >>shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the > >>view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight > >>into > >>Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective vehicles > >>for > >>encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of the > >>Big > >>Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical movements > >>that > >>are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they have always been > >>regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland Buddhist > >>realizes > >>that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go to Buddhist > >>Heaven > >>where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they still understand > >>that > >>ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And so, as you yourself > >>note, > >>Buddhism has the least occluding layers. The average Christian would not > >>regard > >>Meister Eckhart as being a real Christian. > >>Steve > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
