Bingo!
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Mayka,
>
> >Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience
> >reality as it
> >is.  Â
>
> Taken to the ultimate conclusion being that we don't need *any* of the
> precepts
> in mind to "experience reality as it is".
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 4:52:54
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse
>
> Â
> Bill has a point. The less adds on the most likely to experience reality as
> it
> is.  Â
> Â
> At the same time Steve also has a point. Living philosophies may embrace in
> compassion the whole universe.
>
> Â
> Mayka
>
> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@...>
> >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse
> >To: [email protected]
> >Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 17:52
> >
> >
> >Â
> >
> >
> >--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Steve,
> >>
> >> I fundamentally disagree.
> >>
> >> Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other religions I
> >> know
> >>about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including Buddhism,
> >>just
> >>layers that have been built up around zen and serve to occlude the essense
> >>of
> >>zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has the least occluding
> >>layers
> >>of the religions I have read about, but it still has a lot.
> >>
> >> ...Bill!
> >>
> >Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of
> >religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together in
> >a
> >shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the
> >view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight into
> >Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective vehicles
> >for
> >encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of the
> >Big
> >Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical movements
> >that
> >are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they have always been
> >regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland Buddhist
> >realizes
> >that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go to Buddhist Heaven
> >where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they still understand
> >that
> >ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And so, as you yourself
> >note,
> >Buddhism has the least occluding layers. The average Christian would not
> >regard
> >Meister Eckhart as being a real Christian.
> >Steve
> >
> >
>
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