It's 10P here right now and I'm getting sleepy.  Time to go to bed.  I'll try 
to get to the longer version of this first thing tomorrow.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> JMJM,
> 
> This is a GREAT question and one I'd like to expound upon.  However I don't 
> have the time this morning (it's 0750 here right now).
> 
> My short answer is DEFINITELY NOT!  Zen is the antithesis of sprituality.  
> Zen is concrete and pragmatic.
> 
> I'll post a longer version of this in about 8 hours...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
> <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> >
> > Good Morning to All,
> > 
> > I have heard many people say, "I am spiritual but not religious."
> > 
> > What does "am spiritual" mean?
> > 
> > In your opinion, does Zen contain spirituality?
> > 
> > If yes, then what is spirituality?  What is a spirit? Is there such a thing?
> > 
> > If not, then what is Zen for?  Live a better life? If so, does it mean a 
> > happier life? If so, then is happiness a spiritual state?  Is our mental 
> > state a spiritual state?  Is there a difference?
> > 
> > When we reach samadhi, kensho, satori, etc.  is it a spiritual state?  
> > Mental state?  Or just a state without label?
> > 
> > You could say, Zen can not be described, then I have not asked this 
> > question.:-)
> > 
> > Thank you for your time.
> > JM
> > 
> > -- 
> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > http://www.heartchan.org
> >
>




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