Mayka,

For me the misleading phrase was 'mentally name'.  That sounds like you're 
going to just think 'drinking tea now, drinking tea now, ...' over and over in 
your head like a mantra.  I didn't think that's what you meant...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote:
>
> Bill;
> You're interpretation is correct.  Appreciate a lot your imput and help 
> with the English language. Which words was I using leading to believe that I 
> was thinking of drinking tea?
>  
> Do I really express myself in such a broken English that only you is able to 
> understand?.  Wow, and thought that it was so clear!!!
>  
> Mayka
>  
>  
>   --- On Sat, 9/4/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, 9 April, 2011, 3:49
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> I'm going to jump in here because I see this from both perspectives - I think 
> - and I think it is another matter of miscommunication.
> 
> If you're drinking tea and thinking of something else (like as 'as soon as 
> I'm done with my tea I'll go out and mow the lawn') then I'm sure you'd both 
> agree that is not 'mindfulness'.
> 
> ED is saying if you're drinking tea and THINKING about drinking tea (like 
> 'gee this tea is really good!') then that also is not mindfulness. I agree.
> 
> Mayka is saying when you drink tea you should only be drinking tea - nothing 
> else. She uses words that sound like she's thinking about drinking tea, but I 
> don't beleive that's what she means. She means Just THIS! When you're 
> drinking tea, Just THIS! is drinking tea. When you mowing you lawn, Just 
> THIS! is mowing your lawn. This is what I beleive Mayka means. If so, I agree.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> >
> > ED;
> >  
> > Do you think so?.  I used this method for various years and seemed to 
> > work particularly during retreats.  Away from retreats and after a 
> > while I have to admit as far as my personal experience concerns no 
> > methods have worked out for me so far as emotions concerns.  When I 
> > feel bad not only I feel bad but also have the necessity to share with 
> > other fellows human beings that I'm feeling bad.  I don't manage to get 
> > adjusted to this buddhisht-zen holiness where everybody seem to have 
> > all emotions under control.  
> >  
> > We are what we are and thinking to change oneselves is the biggest illusion 
> > I've ever heard from all. In fact, Can a rose change it's nature of 
> > being a rose and became a carnation?.  
> >  
> >  Eventually we always come back to where we were.  Nothing 
> > change.  There is no walk though it looks like as if it were.  I 
> > haven't learnt anything.  I know nothing.  
> >  
> > Mayka
> >  
> >  
> > --- On Thu, 7/4/11, ED <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: ED <seacrofter001@>
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 16:05
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Mayka, if you are mentally naming it, you are using your rational mind.  
> > -ED
> >  
> > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> > >
> > Hi Siska:
> >  
> > By the term "acknowledging" means to be aware of what is happening 
> > there. For instance: If you have a headache you mentally name: 
> > "headache".  By the only acknowledgement of the headache many other 
> > sensations, impact of the headache in your whole body and body 
> > language will come into awareness through it.  
> >  
> > A much short example:
> >  
> > 1- I'm drinking tea (I'm drinking tea in an automatic way.  There has 
> > not been an acknowledgement in the action.  The head is 
> > distracted somewhere else away from the tea I'm drinking).
> >  
> > 2- I know I'm drinking tea.  ( I have acknowledged drinking tea.  I 
> > know what I'm doing. My head is not distracted from the action of 
> > drinking tea)
> >  
> > Important not to exchange labelling for acknoledgement.  Labelling is 
> > mental exercise while acknowledgement goes with the motion of the present 
> > moment continuosly traveling and changing .
> >  
> > Mayka
> >
>




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