Bill; The description you are giving will be an example of labelling. And that wouldn't be acknowledging something. I was taught to acknowledge by naming exactly in the way that was felt by the senses through conscious breathing. When one drinks tea in that way one can have the smell of it, the temperature, the way one holds the cup all sensations, the movements of the hands....... Mayka
--- On Sat, 9/4/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 9 April, 2011, 13:54 Mayka, For me the misleading phrase was 'mentally name'. That sounds like you're going to just think 'drinking tea now, drinking tea now, ...' over and over in your head like a mantra. I didn't think that's what you meant...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill; > You're interpretation is correct.  Appreciate a lot your imput and help > with the English language. Which words was I using leading to believe that I > was thinking of drinking tea? >  > Do I really express myself in such a broken English that only you is able to > understand?. Wow, and thought that it was so clear!!! >  > Mayka >  >  >  --- On Sat, 9/4/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 9 April, 2011, 3:49 > > >  > > > > I'm going to jump in here because I see this from both perspectives - I think > - and I think it is another matter of miscommunication. > > If you're drinking tea and thinking of something else (like as 'as soon as > I'm done with my tea I'll go out and mow the lawn') then I'm sure you'd both > agree that is not 'mindfulness'. > > ED is saying if you're drinking tea and THINKING about drinking tea (like > 'gee this tea is really good!') then that also is not mindfulness. I agree. > > Mayka is saying when you drink tea you should only be drinking tea - nothing > else. She uses words that sound like she's thinking about drinking tea, but I > don't beleive that's what she means. She means Just THIS! When you're > drinking tea, Just THIS! is drinking tea. When you mowing you lawn, Just > THIS! is mowing your lawn. This is what I beleive Mayka means. If so, I agree. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > ED; > >  > > Do you think so?. I used this method for various years and seemed to > > work particularly during retreats. Away from retreats and after a > > while I have to admit as far as my personal experience concerns no > > methods have worked out for me so far as emotions concerns.  When I > > feel bad not only I feel bad but also have the necessity to share with > > other fellows human beings that I'm feeling bad. I don't manage to get > > adjusted to this buddhisht-zen holiness where everybody seem to have > > all emotions under control.  > >  > > We are what we are and thinking to change oneselves is the biggest illusion > > I've ever heard from all. In fact, Can a rose change it's nature of > > being a rose and became a carnation?.  > >  > >  Eventually we always come back to where we were. Nothing > > change. There is no walk though it looks like as if it were. I > > haven't learnt anything. I know nothing. > >  > > Mayka > >  > >  > > --- On Thu, 7/4/11, ED <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 16:05 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > Mayka, if you are mentally naming it, you are using your rational mind. > > -ED > >  > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > Hi Siska: > >  > > By the term "acknowledging" means to be aware of what is happening > > there. For instance: If you have a headache you mentally name: > > "headache". By the only acknowledgement of the headache many other > > sensations, impact of the headache in your whole body and body > > language will come into awareness through it. > >  > > A much short example: > >  > > 1- I'm drinking tea (I'm drinking tea in an automatic way. There has > > not been an acknowledgement in the action. The head is > > distracted somewhere else away from the tea I'm drinking). > >  > > 2- I know I'm drinking tea. ( I have acknowledged drinking tea. I > > know what I'm doing. My head is not distracted from the action of > > drinking tea) > >  > > Important not to exchange labelling for acknoledgement. Labelling is > > mental exercise while acknowledgement goes with the motion of the present > > moment continuosly traveling and changing . > >  > > Mayka > > >
