Bill; Your advice is a vise one in the sense of non precipitating the mind into an event that has not yet occur. According to zen and zen buddhism, living in the present moment has to be the core and the center place point bringing body and mind to it. And even it's also very true that by living in the present moment one can perfectly experience it continuous flow and change. Yet while having a great time, getting engage in a very nice relationship this changes can be very difficult to be truly detected in its depths when the concentration of impermanence is switch off. Meditating in impermanence and death is not something that takes one away of the present moment. It prepares one to approach that moment of our own death or the death of one of our beloved ones. It also makes one be a lot of more aware and appreciative towards all what we have right now. During a relationship the concentration in impermanence is important. It doesn't go separated from the present moment. It flows with it. It's part of the present moment. In fact lots of the hard time we have during a relationship is because we haven't live with our full presence in the flow of the present moment and the concentration of impermanence. Mayka
--- On Sat, 14/5/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen with no concepts To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 14 May, 2011, 2:56 Mayka, Maybe so, but today is not that day, and now is not that moment. Enjoy this moment..Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill; > Absolutely. Impermanence is a change. Flowing with impermanence is the > ideal to do. But is not an easy task as whatever we do it will come a day > that we will need to be separated from the person we love. > Mayka > > --- On Fri, 13/5/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen with no concepts > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 13 May, 2011, 9:46 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > Non-permanence does not mean that something likeyour relationship is doomed. > It just means that the relationship will not remain the same forever. It > could be better with the qualities it has. It could take on new qualities. > Anyway it doesn't have to mean that it will just wither away. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mayka, > > >  > > > > > > You ask some very thought-provoking questions. I'm currently enjoying the > > best relationship that I have ever experienced and hope that it will remain > > so for a very long time. I also understand, however, that like all > > phenomena it will not last forever. Strangely, I don't find this > > pessimistic at all. In fact, it stirs me to make the most out of each > > moment we're together. Btw, this is also how I'm coming to understand the > > issue of death - knowing that we die helps us to appreciate the time that > > we have left. Now, I don't think for one moment that the inevitable ending > > of my relationship will be painless, and I'm sure I will grieve for it, but > > the recognition that all phenomena are impermanent helps to end those > > little 'feel sorry for myself' stories of suffering before they even have a > > chance to begin. I think the grieving process is both natural and healthy > > up to a point and being a Buddhist/Zennist doesn't armour us from the > > effects of impermanence. > > > And nor should it. > > > > > > Mike > > > >
