Hi Chris, Is it handy for you to quote the whole paragraph so it can be read in context?
If it is from Sit down and shut up, can you tell me the page number? I will look it up myself. Thanks, Siska -----Original Message----- From: ChrisAustinLane <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 09:33:15 To: [email protected]<[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, zen and Theravada Buddhism In the spirit of animated controversy, there is supposedly a quote by Dogen: kensho is the animated activity of non-Buddhists. I have only seen it quoted by Brad Warner, however. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On May 23, 2011, at 9:08, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hi Ed, > > I still cannot figure out clearly what kensho actually is, but from the > descriptions, it looks like kensho is very similar to nyana (insight) > experience as in Mahasi tradition in Theravada. > > Daniel, looking forward to your opinion (or correction). > > Siska > From: "ED" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:45:08 -0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: [Zen] Zen, zen and Theravada Buddhism > > > > Hello All, > > Definitions: Zen = Zen Buddhism; zen = Zen minus the Buddhism > > The Noble Eightfold Path is sometimes divided into three basic categories as > follows: > > > I. Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajna, Pali: panna) > > 1. Right understanding > > 2. Right intention > > II. Ethical conduct (Sanskrit and Pali: sila) > > 3. Right speech > > 4. Right action > > 5. Right livelihood > > III. Concentration (Sanskrit and Pali: samadhi) > > 6. Right effort > > 7. Right mindfulness > > 8. Right concentration > > > o Theravada Buddhism embraces all three categories of the Noble Eightfold > Path. > > o Zen accepts all three categories, but tends to de-emphasize I and II, in > my obsevation/knowledge/belief. > > o zen accepts category III only, or possibly only steps 7. and 8. of > category III. > > ------- > > Zenists (and zenists) seek to achieve, or, without seeking, achieve in > kensho-satori, glimpses of: a sense of no-self or no I/me/mine; a sense of an > absolute nondual reality; a sense of nothing arising or perishing; a sense of > freedom from all bonds; and a sense of seeing directly and deeply into the > nature of things, without discriminating or discursive thinking. > > The experience of the ineffable mind-space decribed above has been labeled > 'realizing Buddha Nature". > > I say 'glimpses of a sense of'' because we have to take the practitioner at > his/her word, or the Zen Teacher at his/her word for this accomplishment or > non-accomplishment of a student of Zen experiencing the above state. > > And, it doesn't really matter because, no tangible benefits are promised to > ensue from these experiences. Do non-experiencers of kensho-satori observe > any tangible, positive transformation in Zenists who have experienced > kensho-satori? We do not know. > > ------ > > > Of the dozens and dozens of zen/Zen centers in the US, perhaps only one > advocates 'zen'. Possibly for now we ought to only focus on comparing > Theravada Buddhism with *Zen*, and leave out zen. > > > Daniel, kindly tell us if through Theravada Buddhist practices, experiences > of mind-states similar to the ones in kensho-satori tend to arise. > > Thanks, ED > > > > > >
