Hi Bill, The literal meaning of kensho is not 'first glimpse'. When translated as first glimpse, does it mean that one can only experience kensho once?
Now trouble in understanding these two terms is that I've never attended any zen meditation retreat before. So I've never had any meditative experience where afterwards a certain teacher advise me that that is kensho. Whatever I think I know about kensho is only based on other people's descriptions. And these descriptions seem to be similar to an experience referred to as nyana/nana (insight) in Theravada meditation retreat. Ed might have good links to describe what nyana/nana is for your comparison ;-) When I'm fortunate enough to attend zen retreat and experience kensho, I'll let you know whether these two are the same :-) Siska -----Original Message----- From: "Bill!" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:17:33 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, zen and Theravada Buddhism Siska, The term 'kensho' is Japanese term and is used in Japanese Zen Buddism. It was used by teachers from both the Renzai and Soto schools in the zendo where I received instruction. I was told that 'kensho' means 'first glimpse'. That might not be the actual Japanese:English translations, but that's what I was told. It refers to an event in which a student's (or anyone else) initially gains awareness of Buddha Nature. It implies an awareness that is of short duration and fades quickly over time. This term can be compared with 'satori' which I was told means 'great enlightenment'. 'Satori' is an event that marks an awareness of Buddha Nature is very deep and long-lasting. This is my understanding of these two terms. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > I still cannot figure out clearly what kensho actually is, but from the > descriptions, it looks like kensho is very similar to nyana (insight) > experience as in Mahasi tradition in Theravada. > > Daniel, looking forward to your opinion (or correction). > > Siska > -----Original Message----- > From: "ED" <seacrofter001@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:45:08 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [Zen] Zen, zen and Theravada Buddhism > > > > > Hello All, > > Definitions: Zen = Zen Buddhism; zen = Zen minus the Buddhism > > The Noble Eightfold Path is sometimes divided into three basic > categories as follows: > > > I. Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajna, Pali: panna) > > 1. Right understanding > > 2. Right intention > > II. Ethical conduct (Sanskrit and Pali: sila) > > 3. Right speech > > 4. Right action > > 5. Right livelihood > > III. Concentration (Sanskrit and Pali: samadhi) > > 6. Right effort > > 7. Right mindfulness > > 8. Right concentration > > > o Theravada Buddhism embraces all three categories of the Noble > Eightfold Path. > > o Zen accepts all three categories, but tends to de-emphasize I and > II, in my obsevation/knowledge/belief. > > o zen accepts category III only, or possibly only steps 7. and 8. of > category III. > > ------- > > Zenists (and zenists) seek to achieve, or, without seeking, achieve in > kensho-satori, glimpses of: a sense of no-self or no I/me/mine; a sense > of an absolute nondual reality; a sense of nothing arising or perishing; > a sense of freedom from all bonds; and a sense of seeing directly and > deeply into the nature of things, without discriminating or discursive > thinking. > > The experience of the ineffable mind-space decribed above has been > labeled 'realizing Buddha Nature". > > I say 'glimpses of a sense of'' because we have to take the practitioner > at his/her word, or the Zen Teacher at his/her word for this > accomplishment or non-accomplishment of a student of Zen experiencing > the above state. > > And, it doesn't really matter because, no tangible benefits are promised > to ensue from these experiences. Do non-experiencers of kensho-satori > observe any tangible, positive transformation in Zenists who have > experienced kensho-satori? We do not know. > > ------ > > > > Of the dozens and dozens of zen/Zen centers in the US, perhaps only one > advocates 'zen'. Possibly for now we ought to only focus on comparing > Theravada Buddhism with *Zen*, and leave out zen. > > > > Daniel, kindly tell us if through Theravada Buddhist practices, > experiences of mind-states similar to the ones in kensho-satori tend to > arise. > > Thanks, ED >
