JM,
 
When you say Buddha claims he never uttered a word, how are you going to wake 
up the spirit inside?
 
Anthony

--- On Tue, 21/6/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011, 1:20 PM


  



Anthony, All words are just tools to wake up the spirit inside. Once these 
words are being analyzed or categorized, they no longer have any value, because 
instead of wake up the spirit, they hit upon the conscious mind.  :-) 
Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation...
http://www.chan-meditation.org
Chan in everyday life...
http://www.chanliving.org
To be enlightened in this life...
http://www.heartchan.org
To save our world...
http://www.universal-oneness.org


On 6/20/2011 9:24 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: 
  






JM,
 
Buddha never denied he ever said a word. It is the author of the Diamond Sutra, 
who was born 1,000 years after Buddha's demise, that says that. 
 
Please also regard what I just said as no value.
 
Anthony

--- On Tue, 21/6/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011, 7:43 AM


  

Hi Anthony,

Every word I posted is form.  There is no value in them.  Don't take them too 
seriously.  

Especially those from Buddha, because he denied that he ever said a word.

Okay?

Talk to you next week...
Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation...
http://www.chan-meditation.org
Chan in everyday life...
http://www.chanliving.org
To be enlightened in this life...
http://www.heartchan.org
To save our world...
http://www.universal-oneness.org


On 6/20/2011 3:57 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: 
  






JM,
 
Thank you for your post. It is interesting. I have no doubt that Heart Chan is 
a good practice that gives you happiness and good health. However, some of the 
ideology is away from Buddhism. For instance, the following from the posted 
article:
 
spirits are eternal
 
Buddhism says nothing is eternal. When our lives end and we reincarnate into a 
different entities, it is the everchanging 5 skandhas of ours that are on the 
journey. They are not the same 'spirits'.
 
It is an absolute practice liberating our spirit, terminating our 
reincarnation, and living in Buddha's bright lights forever.
 
Buddha teaches us there is no 'self'. Than who is going to live in Buddhs's 
bright lights forever?
 
Please note I am not trying to stop you practicing heart Chan. If you benefit 
really and are happy, why not continue? I just want to point out the 'points of 
deviation', while not attempting to say, 'this is the only truth, while the 
rest are neither false or subordinate to the truth.
 
I hope to see more of your posts. Thank you for your kindheartedness.
 
Anthony
 
 
 
 


--- On Tue, 21/6/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011, 2:13 AM


  






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Why Practice Chan?



The purpose of practicing Chan is to establish a place for our life after death.
Why practice Chan?  What is its purpose? From a religious point of view, 
whether it is Protestant, Catholicism, Buddhism or Islam, the common emphasis 
is to ferry our spirit.  Jesus said that "Believe in me, you shall live 
forever!" Buddhism teaches the attainment of Buddhahood. How do we obtain 
everlasting life and land in heaven? Practicing Chan is the answer.
Through out our life, most of us seek fame, fortune, political power, etc.  Can 
we keep them after our death? What we really need to seek is a place for our 
afterlife.  This way, we will not panic when our time comes to an end.  This is 
the real purpose of practicing Chan.  Though we probably don't know where we 
were from, we should at least be clear about where we will be going.  At the 
least, we should have some control of our destiny.  In Buddhism, the end game 
is enlightenment.
Surpass our physical lives and terminate reincarnation
When we are alive, through our senses, we could be pretty sure that we are 
living in a material world.  However, this is not the world of our spirit.  
When our lives come to an end, where will our spirit be going? What do we know 
about the spiritual world?
According to Buddhism, there are ten spiritual realms.  From top down, they are 
Buddha, Bodhisattva, Sravaka, Pratyeka, Deity, human, Asura, Animal, Hungry 
Ghost and Hell.  The realms below "human" contains mostly sufferings and 
disasters.  The lower the realm, the worse the conditions are.  The only way 
for us not to be in these realms is to practice Chan, purifying the karma from 
our previous lives, so that our spirit could be elevated to a higher realm.  
Perhaps even possible to be landed in the realm of Buddha or Bodhisattva, if we 
practice Chan with dedication.
In other words, spirits are eternal. When our body die, our spirit will journey 
to a spiritual realm corresponding to the merits or karma accumulated 
throughout our lives.  Therefore, when we die, it is not the end.  It is just 
another beginning.  This is the "judgment" as labeled by Christians and the 
"reincarnation" by Buddhist.
On the other hand, practicing Chan enhances our spiritual purity.  If majority 
of the people has purer spiritual quality, the society would be in general more 
peaceful and harmonious.  For the first fifty years in Taiwan, though we had 
little material wealth, but we were generally happy and content. Different from 
nowadays, our society is filled with murder, violence, incest, etc. These are 
indications of being in those realms below "human".  It is urgent for us to 
practice Chan as soon as possible.  Otherwise, there will be more natural 
disasters and man-made miseries. If war ever breaks out, we will be in the 
realm of hungry ghost and hell.
Liberate our spirit into everlasting joy
Simply, the purpose of the Chan practice is to be enlightened in this life.  
Some people may have difficulty in believing that.  Such disbelief is usually 
resulted from thinking or analyzing with our physical human brain.  Shakyamuni 
is as much a human as any of us.  After six years of searching as an ascetic 
and six years of meditation under a Bodhi tree.  Shakyamuni liberated his 
spirit from his body and his consciousness, and ultimately attained 
Buddhahood.  Exemplified by his journey, he taught everyone of us, that we all 
could be enlightened also.  We all possess Buddha nature.  Just have to 
practice the authentic lineage Chan.
What is an authentic lineage practice?  It is an absolute practice liberating 
our spirit, terminating our reincarnation, and living in Buddha's bright lights 
forever.  It is a practice enabling us to surpass the three realms of "Desire, 
Form and Formlessness". Desire is the hindrance of our consciousness. Form is 
the hindrance of our physical body.  Formlessness is the hindrance of our karma 
hidden in our subconsciousness.  Therefore the practice of Chan is, through the 
purification of authentic lineage dharma, cleans the hindrances of our 
consciousness, our physical body and the karma of our previous lives, and 
entering into a journey of purity, which means a path without hindrances to 
Buddhaland.  So that upon our death, we would not panic.  We would be certain 
that we would be on our way there.
Each of us has approximately one hundred years to live.  How many years do you 
have left?  We must quickly learn to practice Chan, through which to improve 
our health, de-stress our mind, and broaden our focus from material world to 
the spiritual world.  Turn our knowledge into wisdom. Transform our transient 
self to be everlasting. Awaken from delusions to the "final truth".  This is 
only way to liberate our spirit.Otherwise, we will continue to be reincarnated 
and float through various spiritual realms without end.  Be reminded that our 
entire life span, from beginning to end, is nothing but emptiness. The only 
possible meaningful accomplishment is a spiritual one.  If you understand this 
truth and dedicate yourself to be enlightened in this life, not only you shall 
receive everlasting bliss, you shall be able to help more people, just like 
what Buddha and Jesus did.








About Us



Heart Chan is the teaching of Grand Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian.  He is the 
85th patriarch since Shakyamuni, 58th patriarch since Bodhidarma and 48th 
patriarch of Linji School.
He teaches that we all could be enlightened in this life.



The Four Practices To Enlightenment







Purity
Detox our body, our mind and our spirit.



Wisdom
Detach from all forms. In Sync with the Heart of Buddha.



Fulfillment
Fulfill every encounter without question or expectation.



Enlightenment
True Nature Connects With Buddha.








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